Article: Dave Gettleman Has Destroyed The Carolina Panthers

[AceBoogie]

13 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

He tried to keep Norman he didn't sign the tag. hated to see him go but in the long term it could prove to be the right move like releasing Steve Smith.

Josh Norman is only one guy he can't play both sides, produce a pass rush and protect Cam.

He can stop the other teams best WR which can literally save a touchdown or two per game. That's huge in this league. 

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

He can stop the other teams best WR which can literally save a touchdown or two per game. That's huge in this league.

Even a great CB can be had with no pass rush. 

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

No, you're just a whiny fan of Smitty and Norman. You mad because he kicked their asses to the curb

You need help 

[CPantherKing]

26 minutes ago, Datawire said:

You guys...sheesh.

 

So, what would you do right now if you were in his shoes to turn things around? Serious question.

I have made it known what I would have done during the off season. What would I do now? Demote Shula to QB coach, get a new OC, cut Gano, sign a couple vet CBs cheap for the rest of the season, trade for a DE with one more season under their contract, cut Remmers when Oher comes back to see what Hawkins and WIlliams have. Trade Andy Lee to get a draft pick back. Find a 3rd down WR that is smart, aware, and has consistent hands. There is more, but you get the idea.

The front office painted themselves into a corner with their decisions in the off season. At this point in the season, it is time for the GM to grind and find something that can address one of their many mistakes.

22 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Well I've never been a Dave fan. It's greatly benefited from the core guys Hurney placed on this team. He's gambled and he's taken chances because of Hurneys guys and now his luck has ran out. 

He has chopped away at the core he got in 2013. Now, that core is stretched thin and can not make up for the weak depth.

18 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

The funny thing is that people truly think hurney is better than gettleman cuz he made a few good first round draft picks 

This is not about Hurney. This is about Gettleman and how he has stood on his own as he discards the talent he received in 2013. Gettleman needs to be valued based on the conditions he has created for the team. He is not one for accountability when it comes to his insane projects and his rash moves. Trying to deflect from Gettleman to Hurney is done. Gettleman has been here for 4 off seasons.

15 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

Should he be penalized for that? Hurney over paid for every decent player he had which left the team in cap hell. Usually a guy that drafted consecutive ROy's a future MVP & DPOY would still be employed by that team but his overall draft record and cap management did him in.

Gettleman literally cleaned up his mess but he should be penalized for benefiting from Hurney's core.

Gettleman over pays for mediocre talent. That is much worse than paying a player at the top of their position a couple million more than you believe they are worth. Stop over paying the scrubs and give the money to players that matter.

The Panthers were cap strapped for one season - 2013. Seems like that season was not a problem, and all a GM had to do was release Chris Gamble and his contract to get under the cap.

3 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

hurney literally invested in like 6 players and then patched every other hole on this team with guys like deke cooper and tyler brayton

Deke and Tyler would be starting for the Panthers now and making a bigger impact than Boston and Ealy.

[TheMaulClaw]

Biggest issue is special teams. Once again. The missed kick against Denver finished Gano.  Punt coverage has been horrible.  As many deficiencies as we may have defensively....it ST's that has cost us.

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Gettleman over pays for mediocre talent. That is much worse than paying a player at the top of their position a couple million more than you believe they are worth. Stop over paying the scrubs and give the money to players that matter.

The Panthers were cap strapped for one season - 2013. Seems like that season was not a problem, and all a GM had to do was release Chris Gamble and his contract to get under the cap.

He could easily get out the Oher or Coleman contracts. Hurney couldn't get out of the Johnson/Williams etc due to the high guarantees. 

They were cap strapped in 2014 hence the reason the panthers couldn't keep moderately priced free agents like Mike Mitchell or Captain. Keeping Steve Smith wasn't a option either because they owed him $25M over 3 had he stayed.

[Byrdman4real]

1 hour ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

It's called coaching, Sherlock. Clearly you haven't heard of it but it's not a myth. Proper coaching is necessary to sustain success. A great fighter without a good coach will never reach his potential.

We're the BJ Penn of the NFL.

It's coaching and the GM that's the problem 

[Ship]

we have a lot of key injuries on this team. this board undervalues guys and is blind to see how bad we are without them.

oher has been out for like 3 weeks now. that's our starting LT gone. the OTs are struggling mightily because newsflash, they're out of position and backups.

vernon butler has also been out for like 3 weeks. butler gave major hustle and was disruptive in the middle. he also kept our DT rotation refreshed with higher talent.

bradberry left early against ATL and has also basically been out 3 weeks now. bradberry is a stud. he's physically more talented than josh and appears to be more coachable and smarter. JB can run with julio, he may not have the experience to shut him down yet, but he can hang. without bradberry our DBs have been exposed.

stewart was out. it's obvious, he's a major key to the offense. his absence left our offense anemic. today we had WR drops and our OTs out of position still suck, but our O was pretty good most of the game.

before these guys went out, we were 1-2 and really close to 2-1 or 3-0. add in cam missing a game, and this team has not been able to properly re-gel. remember, bradberry was in with the 1s all summer long. he's the most important DB we have right now. butler got plenty of PT and i can guarantee putting him and KK in the middle on 3rd downs is a lot different that Star or Love beside KK.

right now i think Butler and Bradberry will become starters on this team long term. no idea about Worley or Sanchez. Worley looked better sharing time with McClain as the #2 CB.

Gettleman could have done things better this off-season. probably smart to leave the josh thing alone. i'm fine with not paying KK last summer. we should have brought in a vet at DE and S/CB. but the fact is we took a chance on our unproven guys. as Harper said, he understood why we wanted to give Boston a chance. Boston's a great guy and a hard worker and a team first player. he has made nice plays in the past. but now we know for sure that he isn't a starter. gettleman really believed one of the udfa DEs were going to make another step. just like the WRs in 2014, none of them did.

on top of the above, a bunch of bullshit has hit the team this year. injuries are the top thing, but the ref's/NFL's disrespect for Cam, the timing of the schedule, and the protests in charlotte have hit this team in all the worst possible ways at the worst possible times.

gettleman hasn't ruined the team. hopefully everyone gets healthy over the bye and this team can hit the reset button. things are really bad right now, but we are a fighting team and we won't be giving up this season. for now, best case scenario is the players go out and heal up and find themselves again and we make a run for a wild card slot. worst case, the team stumbles through the season and we have the luxury of reloading with some major talent at important areas. getting a top OT or DE this year could be incredible. plus a legit future RB or TE and a S. this team could find lots of missing pieces.

[frash.exe]

19 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

I have made it known what I would have done during the off season. What would I do now? Demote Shula to QB coach, get a new OC, cut Gano, sign a couple vet CBs cheap for the rest of the season, trade for a DE with one more season under their contract, cut Remmers when Oher comes back to see what Hawkins and WIlliams have. Trade Andy Lee to get a draft pick back. Find a 3rd down WR that is smart, aware, and has consistent hands. There is more, but you get the idea.

The front office painted themselves into a corner with their decisions in the off season. At this point in the season, it is time for the GM to grind and find something that can address one of their many mistakes.

He has chopped away at the core he got in 2013. Now, that core is stretched thin and can not make up for the weak depth.

This is not about Hurney. This is about Gettleman and how he has stood on his own as he discards the talent he received in 2013. Gettleman needs to be valued based on the conditions he has created for the team. He is not one for accountability when it comes to his insane projects and his rash moves. Trying to deflect from Gettleman to Hurney is done. Gettleman has been here for 4 off seasons.

Gettleman over pays for mediocre talent. That is much worse than paying a player at the top of their position a couple million more than you believe they are worth. Stop over paying the scrubs and give the money to players that matter.

The Panthers were cap strapped for one season - 2013. Seems like that season was not a problem, and all a GM had to do was release Chris Gamble and his contract to get under the cap.

Deke and Tyler would be starting for the Panthers now and making a bigger impact than Boston and Ealy.

[CPantherKing]

19 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Dude, some guy wrote in a blog that we need to fire our GM and that we suck. Yeah. Three hundred words, no sponsors and no one has heard of the guy.

Heck, for once this season, I saw a team make second half adjustments and claw their way back into a game.

There's problems, but I'm not for jettisoning the guys who rebuilt this team and got it to the Superb Owl last year. And that guy who wrote the blog, for all we know, is the OP. When the big name writers start calling for the GMs head (and I mean writers, not just talking heads and local market sports shock jocks) then I might pay it much attention.

 

How about Sports Illustrated? There is more to come with the bye week.

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And while the players make the plays that leave them 1-5, the common thread in all this has been general manager Dave Gettleman. His cost-saving approach that was so effective for his first three years as Carolina’s GM is catching up to him. With newly extended Michael Oher missing his third straight game due to concussion, Gettleman’s inability to find suitable depth at tackle is biting him. Taking away Norman’s tag continues to boggle the mind. But the biggest failure was not having enough competition at training camp.

The only legitimate competition for a starting position was at punter, and not one of the three players Carolina brought to Spartanburg ended up punting in Denver Week 1. The starting lineup projected in late July was essentially the starting lineup against the Broncos. A few starters really competing for their jobs would have likely curbed any lingering complacency.

 

2 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

He could easily get out the Oher or Coleman contracts. Hurney couldn't get out of the Johnson/Williams etc due to the high guarantees. 

They were cap strapped in 2014 hence the reason the panthers couldn't keep moderately priced free agents like Mike Mitchell or Captain. Keeping Steve Smith wasn't a option either because they owed him $25M over 3 had he stayed.

The Panthers were not cap strapped in 2014. They were able to sign a bunch of over paid poo free agents that were later cut in season and tossed $14m at Hardy to not play. That is not cap strapped, and anyone knows when you can throw down over $10m on a player for a season, then that team is not cap strapped.

[Saca312]

Imagine if Gettleman had gone for a DE this year. Imagine if we had a top FA DE on one side, and Ealy on his superbowl position, and Ealy going off. Now, we'd have some push on the DLine, and imagine retaining JNo by franchising him or paying him $14 million for 5 years, and getting a FA safety like Weddle. KK would be making himself look good for a contract with all the help. What do we get out of moves like this? For sure playoff contention, and another shot at the Superbowl this year. However, look at next year's contracts, and ask yourself how'd you pay for all this with how much less cap you have, adding JNo if we weren't able to strap him to a contract:

Ted Ginn Jr.	WR	31	CAR	TBD	$2,775,000	UFA	-
Charles Johnson	DE	30	CAR	TBD	$2,562,500	UFA	Market Value
Mike Remmers	RT	27	CAR	TBD	$2,553,000	UFA	-
Mario Addison	DE	29	CAR	TBD	$1,620,000	UFA	-
Kawann Short	DT	27	CAR	TBD	$1,473,192	UFA	Market Value
Teddy Williams	CB	28	CAR	TBD	$1,010,000	UFA	-
Colin Jones	FS	28	CAR	TBD	$885,000	UFA	-
Robert McClain	CB	28	CAR	TBD	$810,000	UFA	-
Michael Griffin	FS	31	CAR	TBD	$728,823	UFA	-
A.J. Klein	ILB	25	CAR	TBD	$722,825	UFA	-
Kyle Love	DT	29	CAR	TBD	$625,882	UFA	-
Leonard Johnson	CB	26	CAR	TBD	$600,000	UFA	-
Chris Scott	G	29	CAR	TBD	$538,823	UFA	-
Brenton Bersin	WR	26	CAR	TBD	$458,822	UFA	-

 

Throwing away this season might secretly be a blessing in disguise, when you look at everything from a financial standpoint. Some of our players need mega contracts, like KK, and we'd have whole new problems indeed.

Now, but consider this. We're in a good position for next year. We have to make moves in FA, there's no excuse not to. We're still in our window of opportunity, and we need to keep ourselves in such. A good DE is necessary, and getting a good solid Vet Safety is needed. We could honestly lock KK up for pretty cheap, maybe tag him at first to make sure he's not loose, and come up with a $9 million deal possibly, less if possible, and more if necessary. His performance this year is not helping his case for a mega contract. Our corners will be in their sophomore years, and by that time I expect Bradberry to break out and become a poor man's version of Josh Norman. We need a good tackle, either by getting one via VIA, or through the draft. Draft time I'd focus on drafting a solid DE, one of those solid RBs that should extend deep in the draft, and a good project Tackle. I'd also go for a possible speedster WR as well, or hope Byrd pans out by that time. We'd be competitive for more than 2 years at this point, and that looks like a good trade-off for dumping this season.

However, the question remains whether Gettlemen would be able to make such big moves. I believe it's the best way to approach next season, since there's no way we could go large through the bargin bin next year at this state. It's relatively not that much to fix, and with the money we have, it's certainly possible to do. I certainly hope next offseason goes somewhat like this.

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

They were able to sign a bunch of over paid poo free agents

low level/cheap free agents which is why they were easily cut. None of those guys cost more than $2M they were strapped.

[emhoward]

I don't mind people critizing Gettlemen and calling for his head this year so long as they gave him his props in 2013 and 2015. 

I don't know enough about CPANTHERKING post history to know if he did or not, but I know AceBoogie always found a way to criticize Dave, even saying in this thread that he never liked him despite us winning 3 straight divison crowns. 

His favorite line is Dave's winning with Hurney's core players, which leads to a situation in which if we win, it's cause of Hurney, if we lose, Gettlemen. Funny, really. 

He criticizes Dave this year for not putting the right players around Hurney's core, but when Dave did in 2013, he dismisses it almost entirely as if any GM good have done just as good of a job. 

 

 

[jasonluckydog]

Hard time to be a known Panther fan, I have this old white guy who keeps telling me Cam deserves these beatings. This racist tells me this is what happens to people like Cam that run their mouth and showboat.