Article: Dave Gettleman Has Destroyed The Carolina Panthers

[AceBoogie]

1 minute ago, panthers1234 said:

3 years of GMing > 5 losing games

This is def a low point for DG but he will fix the mistakes and recover. For all the good he has done it has greatly outnumbered the amount of bad he has done. 

Mistakes were made in terms of Norman and having such a young secondary without vet leadership to show the young guys what to do. 

Well I've never been a Dave fan. It's greatly benefited from the core guys Hurney placed on this team. He's gambled and he's taken chances because of Hurneys guys and now his luck has ran out. 

[tiger7_88]

1 minute ago, Pimpdaddy said:

..orrrr is it player fault?...pretty much the same dudes in th SB..not sure what it is.

Absolutely players have responsibility as well.

But prior to assigning that blame, you have to ask the question "Are the coaches putting those players in position to succeed?"

I would say that sometimes the answer to that question is definitely "Yes".

I would also say that, more frequently, the answer to that question is "No".

[uncfan888]

The funny thing is that people truly think hurney is better than gettleman cuz he made a few good first round draft picks 

[Cpt slay a ho]

If you can't see there's a talent issue in the secondary or d line then you're blind. Hell there's a talent issue at kicker 

[panthers1234]

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

Well I've never been a Dave fan. It's greatly benefited from the core guys Hurney placed on this team. He's gambled and he's taken chances because of Hurneys guys and now his luck has ran out. 

Yes I agree Hurney helped out Dave a ton but Dave is a smart GM. He can draft, manage salary cap, find good FAs but this year mistakes were made. We are all in shock with how poorly this team is doing. I mean no one could have predicted this. Most of us had us going 11-12 wins. Despite these mistakes I still think he is one of the best GMs in the league based on the complete body of work he has done. I also trust he can fix these mistakes and make Carolina a powerhouse again

[Proudiddy]

3 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Absolutely players have responsibility as well.

But prior to assigning that blame, you have to ask the question "Are the coaches putting those players in position to succeed?"

I would say that sometimes the answer to that question is definitely "Yes".

I would also say that, more frequently, the answer to that question is "No".

Or the question you ask before that is, "do we have players good enough that coaches can put them a position to succeed?"

And at several positions, the answer is no.

Some people on this board will go out of their way to avoid placing the blame where it actually belongs.  Ron is not without fault, but he is further down the list then a lot of people here are willing to admit.

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

It's greatly benefited from the core guys Hurney placed on this team.

Should he be penalized for that? Hurney over paid for every decent player he had which left the team in cap hell. Usually a guy that drafted consecutive ROy's a future MVP & DPOY would still be employed by that team but his overall draft record and cap management did him in.

Gettleman literally cleaned up his mess but he should be penalized for benefiting from Hurney's core.

[t96]

Lol. Gettleman sends out the same team that went 15-1 and lost in the Super Bowl minus Josh Norman, Roman Harper, aging Jared Allen who had no pass rush juice left, and an old as hell banged up Tillman who was hurt during the important stretch anyways but plus KB, Vernon Butler, Paul Soliai and James Bradberry and now he's the reason that we're losing. Unbelievable. Coaching staff and players' play deserve most of the blame and there have been injuries and frankly just a lot of bad luck against us and close losses against good teams. Is the secondary an issue? Absolutely. Is it accurate to say Gettleman is a bad GM because of that alone? Absolutely not. The secondary, and the team, will be so much better in the long run because of his decisions, you wait and see. We knew all offseason that these moves were for the future not this year, you can't be surprised now that the secondary is weak.

[CPantherKing]

17 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

I've got to tell you dude, you have taken a ton of poo on this forum for your opinion, but you've been pretty spot on. There are a ton of people on here who owe you an apology for what all they have said to you. 

 I am a realistic fan that cares about the here and now and the direction of the team. I do not expect everyone to agree.

I was wrong last season. I saw the same problems with the secondary, but Norman was better than I thought, Tillman produced at a higher level, and Coleman blindsided me at FS. I do have to admit while I hated having Harper due to his coverage ability, I respect him for his leadership, communication on the field, and hard nosed play in the box.

I now believe Harper was the glue in that secondary. I missed that.

I was also glad/shocked to see Gettleman go after Jared Allen before the trade dead line. He should have addressed the DE position in the off season, but he stubbornly stuck by Ealy. Jared Allen moved my outlook from 8-8 with a division title in 2015 to 10-6. They still out performed my expectations.

Whether that was dumb luck or Gettleman planned it out, it worked out very well and led to Thieves Ave on the back of the already stellar LB play making ability.

Gettleman tossed all that out the window in one off season. Reminiscent of 2014.

Unfortunately, the Panthers have been worse than I expected this season. I did not see the secondary completely imploding, and I hoped for some improvement from Ealy so his play would be at least average on a consistent basis. I also thought Bene would be left at the nickel with McClain starting and the rookie CBs would rotate in at the other CB spot with Coleman covering their backside form the FS position. Moving Coleman to SS with Boston at FS backing up 2 rookies on both sides of the field was a big mistake.

Keep Rivera unless you have a seasoned HC with previous success in the NFL. A rookie HC would take at least 3 seasons to develop, and we would go through all the same growing pains. Keep McDermott. Replace Gettleman with Brandon Beane and replace Shula with Ricky Proehl or Dameyune Craig. Those changes would get things straight imo.

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Lol. Gettleman sends out the same team that went 15-1 and lost in the Super Bowl minus Josh Norman, Roman Harper, aging Jared Allen who had no pass rush juice left, and an old as hell banged up Tillman who was hurt during the important stretch anyways but plus KB, Vernon Butler, Paul Soliai and James Bradberry and now he's the reason that we're losing. Unbelievable. Coaching staff and players' play deserve most of the blame and there have been injuries and frankly just a lot of bad luck against us and close losses against good teams. Is the secondary an issue? Absolutely. Is it accurate to say Gettleman is a bad GM because of that alone? Absolutely not. The secondary, and the team, will be so much better in the long run because of his decisions, you wait and see. We knew all offseason that these moves were for the future not this year, you can't be surprised now that the secondary is weak

 

[frash.exe]

the team had its most successful three year run it's ever had and he's "destroyed them" lmao

 

i guess we all forgot how talentless the team was with marty hurney for like four years

[AceBoogie]

6 minutes ago, panthers1234 said:

Yes I agree Hurney helped out Dave a ton but Dave is a smart GM. He can draft, manage salary cap, find good FAs but this year mistakes were made. We are all in shock with how poorly this team is doing. I mean no one could have predicted this. Most of us had us going 11-12 wins. Despite these mistakes I still think he is one of the best GMs in the league based on the complete body of work he has done. I also trust he can fix these mistakes and make Carolina a powerhouse again

Can he draft tho? I mean how many of his picks since he's been here are actually performing? 

[CPantherKing]

35 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

I'm actually glad someone in the sports media is calling Gettleman out. I wish national media did. He needs to be held accountable and answer to this shitshow he is responsible for producing. 

I believe Jonathan Jones did today for SI.

[truthjuice]

Just now, CPantherKing said:

I believe Jonathan Jones did today for SI.

Oh wow, I must have missed that. More need to though. But Cam asking if they were done and being told yes and walking out will be he hot topic. Sadly.