Kris Jenkins...

[Brandon]

IMO losing Carstens to a blood clot and diease hurt a lot more than trading away Jenkins.

Losing him hurt because he was a fully developed player that was extremely solid and would have lasted with this franchise for a while.

The thing that really irks me is the loss of Gary Gibson, because he was in the same mold as Carstens and has been playing quite well for the Rams as their starter.

[WilkinsonDonnie]

i didnt know that about gibson and playing well for the rams and really wish I never saw that comment

[Huffgolf30]

it's hard to believe we used to have rucker, witherspoon, morgan, peppers, and jenkins all on the same team.

[Fox007]

Jenkins didn't, and Peppers doesn't want to play for John Fox's shitty ass defense.

Don't blame them, I wouldn't either, should have traded Fox instead of Jenkins.

[monstercat]

Jenkins didn't, and Peppers doesn't want to play for John Fox's sh*tty ass defense.

Don't blame them, I wouldn't either, should have traded Fox instead of Jenkins.

Wow, that's some real insight since Fox's defense was usually in the top ten the whole time Jenkins was here, and they were top five when Carstens took Jenkins place for a season.

I'll bet you were one of the first ones who jumped all over Jenkins for gaining so much weight when he was here.

[Fox007]

Wow, that's some real insight since Fox's defense was usually in the top ten the whole time Jenkins was here, and they were top five when Carstens took Jenkins place for a season.

I'll bet you were one of the first ones who jumped all over Jenkins for gaining so much weight when he was here.

It's more about Fox than it is about the actual defense or their stats, could have worded that better sure.

They didn't/don't want to play for Fox anymore, what that means is up to you, I know what I think.

And no I don't care about a fatty getting more fat.

As long as it isn't criminal, I don't care what players do off the field, I'd take Collins right now over Jake actually.

[monstercat]

It's more about Fox than it is about the actual defense or their stats, could have worded that better sure.

They didn't/don't want to play for Fox anymore, what that means is up to you, I know what I think.

And no I don't care about a fatty getting more fat.

As long as it isn't criminal, I don't care what players do off the field, I'd take Collins right now over Jake actually.

I haven't heard Jenkins or Peppers say one bad word about Fox so far, so I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion just yet. Hell, if anything, Fox was crazy for putting up with Jenkins antics as long as he did. It's not really too much to ask for a player with weight problems to show up for off season conditioning sessions. Jenkins even had a weight clause in his contract, which he failed to live up to.

[Fox007]

I haven't heard Jenkins or Peppers say one bad word about Fox so far, so I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion just yet. Hell, if anything, Fox was crazy for putting up with Jenkins antics as long as he did. It's not really too much to ask for a player with weight problems to show up for off season conditioning sessions. Jenkins even had a weight clause in his contract, which he failed to live up to.

Sure there is no proof, I just happen to believe he acted that way to force a trade because he was done w/Fox.

I am more biased because I am fed up with Fox too, but you are right, if that is in his contract he was in the wrong for not honoring that.

Compared to other teams problems, that is a minor infraction compared to how important he was to the defense.

I'm not defending Jenkins at all for what he did in the wrong, I just think the bigger fish is Fox.

I understood Peppers wanting to leave too, and didn't jump on him as well.

I still think he has every right to leave, and he isn't costing us cap space, the FO is.

[mountainpantherfan]

Sure there is no proof, I just happen to believe he acted that way to force a trade because he was done w/Fox.

I am more biased because I am fed up with Fox too, but you are right, if that is in his contract he was in the wrong for not honoring that.

Compared to other teams problems, that is a minor infraction compared to how important he was to the defense.

I'm not defending Jenkins at all for what he did in the wrong, I just think the bigger fish is Fox.

I understood Peppers wanting to leave too, and didn't jump on him as well.

I still think he has every right to leave, and he isn't costing us cap space, the FO is.

How do know that Peppers' reasoning for wanting to leave isn't because he hates Jon Beason? That could be just as true as him hating / being tired of Fox because neither have any quotes to back it up. For all we know Peppers could love Fox.

[rayzor]

Jenkins didn't, and Peppers doesn't want to play for John Fox's shitty ass defense.

Don't blame them, I wouldn't either, should have traded Fox instead of Jenkins.

that would have gotten us mangina.

ummm....no thanks.