Positives From Last Night's Game

[arbnranger]

Does anyone have an opinion on how Griffin played?

You cant really analyze his play just from the tv angles but he looked strong on a couple run plays and seemed to be around the ball. 

[gmonjimbo]

1 minute ago, KB_fan said:

One positive:  A loss to Tampa screams VERY VERY loudly that there is urgent danger.  Perhaps a win last night to a BAD Bucs team would have allowed the coaches / FO and players to ignore and sugarcoat big weaknesses.  I'm hoping this awful outcome will show clearly that we're broken and fixes are needed.  Sometimes a win can camouflage the real issues.  I'm hoping our coaches and FO will see and face brutal facts about what is ugly and work to change it.

I'm not sure there are short-term solutions that will save this season, but hopefully they can make a start NOW rather than just saying :"it is what it is" and letting the cancer continue unabated.  We need momentum.  Football needs to become fun again for the Panthers.

Some commenters here have been berating Ron's record of late-season comebacks (as too little too late), but the end of 2014 rally DID set the team up somehow for an amazing 2015.  Maybe, just maybe, they can pull off that kind of team transformation again....

I really hope so but this team is playing with fire. What suprises me most is the amount of senseless turnovers and penalties. For example, what was AJ Klein doing running full speed after a play is dead to charge at Gosder Cherilus in front of 3 officials. Why is Teddy Williams running at Ted Ginn like he is the opposing teams gunner trying to make a tackle. Anyway, I bet you could write 6 pages full on the difference between our TO differential and penalties of last year to this year 

[KB_fan]

1 minute ago, gmonjimbo said:

I really hope so but this team is playing with fire. What suprises me most is the amount of senseless turnovers and penalties. ... Anyway, I bet you could write 6 pages full on the difference between our TO differential and penalties of last year to this year 

I didn't mean to derail this thread negatively.  I just woke up thinking that in the grand scheme of things long-term, perhaps a brutally ugly loss to TB is better than a brutally-ugly win IF it forces people to deal with issues.

No time for the write ups on penalties & turnovers.  Voth has been putting out some good stuff.   I'm in something of a work crisis right now with my boss on sabbatical.  Some difficult issues have come up and I'm in charge... much less time for Panthers stuff.

Postives I saw last night: (Pretty much all been stated by others)

Greg, of course

Fozzy & CAP looked fairly solid

Norwell.

Some good play by Daryl Williams.  Lavar Edwards.  Signs of life from CJ. 

McClain & Boston made some nice plays (not sure if they were consistently good, but I didn't see awful mistakes that I remember by either, but I was sleepy during part of the game given the time difference)

[LA_Panther]

Running game

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[outlaw4]

11 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

One positive:  A loss to Tampa screams VERY VERY loudly that there is urgent danger.  Perhaps a win last night to a BAD Bucs team would have allowed the coaches / FO and players to ignore and sugarcoat big weaknesses.  I'm hoping this awful outcome will show clearly that we're broken and fixes are needed.  Sometimes a win can camouflage the real issues.  I'm hoping our coaches and FO will see and face brutal facts about what is ugly and work to change it.

I'm not sure there are short-term solutions that will save this season, but hopefully they can make a start NOW rather than just saying :"it is what it is" and letting the cancer continue unabated.  We need momentum.  Football needs to become fun again for the Panthers.

Some commenters here have been berating Ron's record of late-season comebacks (as too little too late), but the end of 2014 rally DID set the team up somehow for an amazing 2015.  Maybe, just maybe, they can pull off that kind of team transformation again....

Part of me hoping. Part of me is asking why would it take going through this in order to make changes? Last season should have raised the bar in terms of expectations and yet, I get the impression that we continue to play based on our old standards. That is what upsets me the most. Even if we had won, last night was embarassing and unacceptable. I know we can be better than that.

[Khyber53]

38 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Part of me hoping. Part of me is asking why would it take going through this in order to make changes? Last season should have raised the bar in terms of expectations and yet, I get the impression that we continue to play based on our old standards. That is what upsets me the most. Even if we had won, last night was embarassing and unacceptable. I know we can be better than that.

I think that those expectations were not just on the coach's shoulders, but also on the players. Last season there was a lot of "we're the best that ever was" mentality, when perhaps we were just a team on its way up that had managed to catch lightning in a bottle. Last year, when we weren't blowing out opponents and making fools of ourselves, we had some hard-fought, gutsy games that we clawed our way back into and eventually won. We just don't seem to have that, we just aren't hungry like we were then.

And that's one of those big, glaring things that a loss like last night's can do to wake a team up. Our line kinda held up and our running game kinda worked... but against the Bucs second and third stringers. Our defensive line put a bit of pressure on the opponent, but only when we blitzed and almost only when their starting center was off the field. We sustained a few drives, but not many, and we had some chicken-hearted play calling at the 1 yard line.

There's a lot to look at here and say, "We got beat by a team that isn't very good on a night when they weren't even at their best."  Had their kicker not had the yips, it wouldn't have ever even been a game.

[outlaw4]

9 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think that those expectations were not just on the coach's shoulders, but also on the players. Last season there was a lot of "we're the best that ever was" mentality, when perhaps we were just a team on its way up that had managed to catch lightning in a bottle. Last year, when we weren't blowing out opponents and making fools of ourselves, we had some hard-fought, gutsy games that we clawed our way back into and eventually won. We just don't seem to have that, we just aren't hungry like we were then.

And that's one of those big, glaring things that a loss like last night's can do to wake a team up. Our line kinda held up and our running game kinda worked... but against the Bucs second and third stringers. Our defensive line put a bit of pressure on the opponent, but only when we blitzed and almost only when their starting center was off the field. We sustained a few drives, but not many, and we had some chicken-hearted play calling at the 1 yard line.

There's a lot to look at here and say, "We got beat by a team that isn't very good on a night when they weren't even at their best."  Had their kicker not had the yips, it wouldn't have ever even been a game.

I don't have an issue with the belief itself. I do when we don't put in the work required to back it up. I said before the season started that we cannot rest on our laurels. It was only going to get harder and we had to step up our efforts.

I don't think we did that and now we're paying the price.

[Paa Langfart]

3 hours ago, Steve_Smith_Sr. said:

The top cats looked fantastic.

Speaking of which ...............Oh Zod ................

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

I don't have an issue with the belief itself. I do when we don't put in the work required to back it up. I said before the season started that we cannot rest on our laurels. It was only going to get harder and we had to step up our efforts.

I don't think we did that and now we're paying the price.

This 1000%. 

[RumHam]

Lavonte David is overrated. Can people shut up about him now? Can't cover poo.

[catnip]

still no pass rush without a cb blitz.  At 1st and goal on the 1yd line why pass ?  (Thats on Shula ) . Way to many penalties and turnovers.  Rivera needs to  turn up some heat.  Just going through the motions to get a paycheck . Need a locker room veteran talk (ass chewing)

[TheSpecialJuan]

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