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Cam Newton has unmasked this entire football team.


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2 minutes ago, Toolbox said:

Dorsey.. and yes rivera will not fire him now not after all of the other times he clearly should have fired him.

Dorsey's not ready. Proehl might be, but that's honestly not guaranteed either. The most experienced assistant we've got on that front is probably Jim Skipper.

Rivera's biggest weakness has always been personnel choices, both in depth chart choices and coaches hires.

That's not to say we have no good assistants, but overall it's lacking.

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Just now, Camvp said:

Even Belichick got shut out starting a trash QB.  At home.


Anderson isn't trash but he played pretty close to it tonight, 3 game killing turnovers negates his passes to a mostly open Olsen.

poo happens, but they beat the Texans 27-0 the week before with the State QB leading the show.  McDaneils is a beast right now.  

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8 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

It's tough to quantify things like credit and blame. You can't bake a cake and take back the eggs. How do you assign credit and blame in an interlocking, mutually-inclusive system where success in one area is built upon success in another? You can't, which is what makes assigning responsibility for losses so elusive in most cases. Is it scheme? Is it execution? How do you judge the one against the other when they're both contingent factors?

Cam Newton's injury has removed a shroud that's been covering the team for the past year and a half. His absence has revealed several things with unadulterated clarity:

1) Mike Shula is terrible and was only ever good because he had Cam as a quarterback. Judging coordinators is as elusive a prospect as any, but those three gut-runs with the game on the line are the types of qualitative data you can actually use. Scheme aside, that's evidence of god-awful situational playcalling. It was there last year, but Cam's excellence on top of lucky breaks masked it. Mike Shula has to go.

2) Ron Rivera is a below-average head coach situationally. He is an above-average leader of men and developer of character, which is important in a coach and should not be undervalued, but he's always made poor decisions when the heat's on. Cam Newton's excellence as a quarterback has kept him out of many of those defining moments, but Ron is not strong enough as a head coach to help mask deficiencies in scheme or personnel, which is what good coaches do. Ron Rivera needs to be heavily evaluated moving forward.

3) Derek Anderson is awesome... as a backup. He's never been starting material and he never will be. The Great White Hope might be scruffy and steely-eyed and businesslike and carry a mean lunch pail, but when the game's on the line he makes questionable throws. Cam Newton makes everyone around him better, Derek Anderson is a really, really good backup quarterback who's well-liked and can be relied upon for a few plays. Derek Anderson needs to work on his decision-making so he won't turn the ball over next time he subs for the reigning MVP.

4) Dave Gettleman is an excellent general manager but he committed a huge judgement error in our secondary. He was dealt a tough hand with a ton of guys coming up for retirement, and I get the Norman situation cap-wise, but those aren't the problem. Rolling i

A good start would be firing Mike Shula tomorrow morning. If that happens I think Cam rolls back in this week, prepares the team, elevates their play, and leads us to a win against New Orleans. Here's to hoping.

Shula will never be fired here because of who his daddy is

this loss is heart breaking to me, there is noting as miserable as losing to the bucs

it may be time for me to sell my PSLs...I should have in March when they were worth something. 

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1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I get that. But how do you sit in the front office and trust Rivera's judgement right now

I haven't trusted Rivera's judgement in personnel matters for a long time.

But Gettleman is very very reluctant to step on Rivera's toes.

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7 minutes ago, Zithers said:

Why fire Shula? He called a fine game. If DA doesn't float it into double coverage or if he secures the ball, we have virtually a 100% chance of winning. The two three runs up the gut drives did totally suck ass though (coincidentally our first and last drives). I don't know how that last 3rd down wasn't a play action.

I'm not dead set on firing Shula.

That said, I've never been his biggest fan either.

Full confession: I also wasn't Rivera's biggest fan when he was hired (I wanted Mike Zimmer). I jumped on the "riverboat" last year but now my old doubts are creeping back.

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3 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Shula will never be fired here because of who his daddy is

this loss is heart breaking to me, there is noting as miserable as losing to the bucs

it may be time for me to sell my PSLs...I should have in March when they were worth something. 

so lets go get Tom Landry's son to call plays...that's not why he wont get fired... its because he is not seen as a problem.

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Can't blame Anderson. He made some bonehead throws. But he is who he is. He's good for several series in a game and then he gets too confident and makes a mistake.

But fug Rivera cannot call a timeout for the other team with 40 second's to go. 

And the only reason Gano is on the roster has to be because there is no one better available. I mean hes attributed to 3 losses this season. What the fug man get it together.

Offensiely we move the ball well and our defense didn't get smoked this time.

Like I said in our conversation Philly. I think there is still a good team here but it's covered in sht right now. And Cam will have to lead them through.

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12 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

This FO if far too loyal when it shouldn't be. Shula needs to go without question. We went from an unstoppable offense to one of the most inept, predictable, poo shows in the NFL. You can only get better when you admit you have a problem. Shula is our problem. 

They're loyal to staff. No loyalty to the players. 

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12 minutes ago, El Dandy said:

Lol an excellent general manager wouldn't have the talent deficit on the offensive line, defensive line, and secondary that Gettleman has. Cam Newton is overrated too. He lacks one quality that every QB needs and that's leadership. 

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