Bobby Cox sets the date

[Fiz]

ahhh yes wins the penultimate metric to measure pitchers by

perhaps you should look up era+ since that's an actual meaningful stat

[Kevin Greene]

A lotta wins regular season.

Not so much post season.

[Fiz]

let us look at the 1996 world series shall we

http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1996_WS.shtml

yes obviously the problem here was pitching

[Fiz]

obviously the braves lost the 93 nl championship because of their 3.15 era

http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1993_NLCS.shtml

[Kevin Greene]

I see David Cone, Graeme Lloyd, Andy Pettite and Jimmy Key beating Tom Glavine, Steve Avery, John Smoltz and Greg Maddux.

Thanks for making my point.

[Fiz]

is your argument that the braves didn't win more world series because their pitchers couldn't pitch in the post season?

because if so it's easily refuted by readily available statistical information and i can't even believe you're using wins

[Fiz]

kevin greene do you understand that the braves batting .254 in the series against the yankees had more to do with them losing than the pitchers 2.33 era

[Fiz]

i mean it's not as if the yankees starting pitching just shut them down or anything

their era was only .016 lower than it was during the regular season, not a significant drop

[Kevin Greene]

kevin greene do you understand that the braves batting .254 in the series against the yankees had more to do with them losing than the pitchers 2.33 era

It's alright. I always figured you were a closet Falcon fan.

Or, the game is in front of Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz and Avery.

Do what you have to do to win.

Or don't.

My God, Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux and Milwood were swept by the '99 Yankees.

These guys suck when it matters.

[Fiz]

smoltz and maddux pitched fine that series

glavine was hurt

milwood always sucked

[Johnny Rockets]

Bobby Cox is the only manager that retires 5 years after he died. Amazing.

[Scrumtrilescent]

All they need next year is a corner outfielder and a 1st basemen (if they don't keep LaRoche or if he does his annual first half snooze), they need about 30+ more HRs to their lineup. When Derek Lowe is gonna be your 4th starter, you're doing ok in that area. The team has Hudson's option for 2010 so if they want him, it'll be because they want to. Middle relief is gonna be OK since Gonzo figured out how to pitch after the break, Medlen will be a bit older, and hell even Campillo may be back. If not, you can always sign some scrub which is what 90% of teams do. Soriano may be back. I'd like to see Anderson and Church back to fill out a decent bench, hoping Diaz comes back too...most of their expiring contracts are fringe/bench players. Not a bad shopping list considering the mess this past offseason was. But if they don't get that corner outfielder and 1st basemen, it'll be another year of sketchy offense supporting pretty good pitching. Eh, the Marlins are going to have a firesale this winter so most of the league will get some decent players, cheap.

The Braves fortunes turned on Mark Wohlers grooving that pitch to Leyritz. Jack Morris was disgustingly unhittable that Series and fug Kent Hrbek.

[Scrumtrilescent]

smoltz and maddux pitched fine that series

glavine was hurt

milwood always sucked

Nah, Millwood is good for what he really is, a #3 starter. When people try to make him a frontline guy, he doesn't have the makeup for it.

[Murph]

You know Colorado is looking kind of bad now. Maybe Atlanta doesn't have to wait until next year.