Question regarding coaches intellect

[cookinbrak]

If you're watching the GB-Giants game, GB throws a pass while NY is trying to get the ball back. Starks was bobbling the ball the whole time, they ruled it a fumble and recovery. NY uses it's last time out to stop the clock. Why not challenge the play- make them look at the tape and see that it was never a complete pass. If you're right, incomplete pass, 3rd and 15, still have a time out. If you're wrong, 3rd and 10 and no time out, which was the outcome anyway.

GB got a 1st down on the next play, so it was irrelevant, but still....

[GoobyPls]

Starks had control of the ball and took a few steps, it was a fumble

[aussiePanther]

19 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

If you're watching the GB-Giants game, GB throws a pass while NY is trying to get the ball back. Starks was bobbling the ball the whole time, they ruled it a fumble and recovery. NY uses it's last time out to stop the clock. Why not challenge the play- make them look at the tape and see that it was never a complete pass. If you're right, incomplete pass, 3rd and 15, still have a time out. If you're wrong, 3rd and 10 and no time out, which was the outcome anyway.

GB got a 1st down on the next play, so it was irrelevant, but still....

Also depends on when it occurs in the game, no point saving up challenges just before the 2 minute warning. Otherwise it's not wise to waste challenge flags on calls you're not likely to get overturned.

[cookinbrak]

20 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Starks had control of the ball and took a few steps, it was a fumble

Challenge it anyway. What's to lose?

[Icege]

6 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

Challenge it anyway. What's to lose?

The timeout that you criticized them for using.

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

The timeout that you criticized them for using.

He's criticizing them for using the TO without challenging instead of challenging and taking whatever outcome follows. The worsg t case is that they end up exactly where they are, but there was potential upside if it was overturned.

[Icege]

5 minutes ago, KSpan said:

He's criticizing them for using the TO without challenging instead of challenging and taking whatever outcome follows. The worsg t case is that they end up exactly where they are, but there was potential upside if it was overturned.

I understand that, but he asked what there was to lose though and they could have lost the timeout that they used.

I'm still mindfuged over Rivera calling a timeout and then deciding to challenge though. Cannot believe I saw an NFL CotY winner do that.

[dswofford]

Did they not already use their challenge on the Nelson catch on the sideline? The call stood.  Therefore, they didn't have a challenge.  Am I right about that?

 

[cookinbrak]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

I understand that, but he asked what there was to lose though and they could have lost the timeout that they used.

I'm still mindfuged over Rivera calling a timeout and then deciding to challenge though. Cannot believe I saw an NFL CotY winner do that.

They would have lost the time out either way. But if the call had been overturned, they would have kept the time out.

[Castavar]

Yeah, McAdoo was not thinking at all in that situation. You basically kill two birds with one stone. You get an even longer rest from the review, and also a possible outcome where the play is overturned and you KEEP your timeout. Instead, he merely just wastes a timeout.

I have another game regarding a coaches intellect. In the Ravens/Redskins game, TWest was gashing them for like 60 yds in the 1st quarter alone (averaging like 9 YPC). Then (in 30 MPH winds mind you), they go on to pass it like 40 times after that 1st quarter and go on to lose the game. I really don't understand coaches in today's NFL. They make sh*t so complicated for no reason. Him only getting 11 carries yesterday was flat out ignorance.