Jerry Richardson may be why Dave Gettleman is cheap

[GoobyPls]

The thing is despise about Richardson is whole stance on players with baggage. I ironically the two best players we have ever had came with baggage,  Cam and Steve. 

[Mr. Scot]

10 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Josh Norman, Whitner, any RT not named Remmers, any backup RB not named Artis-Payne, any cornerback but the ones we've put out there besides Bradberry, several options at DE thay were better than what we have and were affordable.  I'm not drudging up an entire list of people we discussed all offseason, but they were there.  They just wanted to be paid a little more than peanuts.

Whitner is still available for a reason.

And if we go "all in" for this one season, don't make the Super Bowl and then watch guys like Turner, Lotulelei or Short go bye bye, then what do fans say?

We spent 11 years under a GM who went "all in" every season. What do we have to show for it?

Smart teams plan to be good this year, next year, two, three and more years down the road. Not just right now.

Is this season a rough one? So far, but it ain't over yet. Regardless, we're in a better position to win consistently than we've ever been in team history.

Even if this one stays bad (which is not a given) I'll take one down season over a constant diet of mediocre seasons anytime.

[Mr. Scot]

9 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Gettleman shot himself in the foot with the way he handled Steve Smith. He now has a reputation among many players and agents in the NFL. He will never land any significant 1st tier free agents over the age of 26.

You haven't got a single clue - nor a single source - for what free agents think outside your own dumbass speculation.

As usual, you're a fraud.

[jptaylor84]

My only issue was that Gettleman and Rivera both stated verbally and publicly that the status quo isn't a recipe for success in the NFL, when your good you need to get better! Releasing your all-pro corner and getting nothing back isn't getting better. Resigning guys and wasting valuable finances on band-aids like CJ, Remmers, Oher, Coleman isn't getting better.

Gettleman has drafted pretty well since being here and found gems in UDFAs and bargain bin free agents, this year he blew his load and made this team stagnate!

Look around the league there were guys outhere who didn't go for big money and could of upgraded certain positions of weakness and made this team better without and I repeat without selling the future and tying our hands behind our back to sign our own, Okung, Weddle, Amakamura, Long,Shelby, Forsett, these guys could have been upgrades on positions of weakness and help bed the rookies in far easier than the total rip it up strategy!

Definitely his worst draft since being gm, butler was a reach and an unnecessary pick, as waste the Bradberry and Worley picks who likely would have fell to us or similar talent would have been on the board anyhow! He whiffed on this draft, marry that with not even entering free agency and the season were having is your end result.

Being loyal to washed up players didn't help neither, CJ, Tolbert, Ginn to name a few and overly-relying on players who have flashed but not shown consistent ability like Ealy, Boston has ultimately made this team suck and suck bad!


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[Mr. Scot]

10 hours ago, CatMan72 said:

Oh here we go again with JR must be cheap because we're not winning.

And from a source that admits up front that it's only his own speculation.

On the flipside, what does a guy who has actual inside access to the organization say?

11 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Nope.

[ThPantherFan]

53 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And from a source that admits up front that it's only his own speculation.

On the flipside, what does a guy who has actual inside access to the organization say?

You go Mr. Scot!  Hopefully you have tempered the out outrageous posts we've seen lately.

[Car123]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Whitner is still available for a reason.

And if we go "all in" for this one season, don't make the Super Bowl and then watch guys like Turner, Lotulelei or Short go bye bye, then what do fans say?

We spent 11 years under a GM who went "all in" every season. What do we have to show for it?

Smart teams plan to be good this year, next year, two, three and more years down the road. Not just right now.

Is this season a rough one? So far, but it ain't over yet. Regardless, we're in a better position to win consistently than we've ever been in team history.

Even if this one stays bad (which is not a given) I'll take one down season over a constant diet of mediocre seasons anytime.

Hurney didn't go all in every season. Maybe 2005.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Hurney didn't go all in every season. Maybe 2005.

How many years under Hurney did we actually have money under the salary cap?

Hurney took a year to year approach, and it showed in our records.

[nctarheel0619]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Whitner is still available for a reason.

And if we go "all in" for this one season, don't make the Super Bowl and then watch guys like Turner, Lotulelei or Short go bye bye, then what do fans say?

We spent 11 years under a GM who went "all in" every season. What do we have to show for it?

Smart teams plan to be good this year, next year, two, three and more years down the road. Not just right now.

Is this season a rough one? So far, but it ain't over yet. Regardless, we're in a better position to win consistently than we've ever been in team history.

Even if this one stays bad (which is not a given) I'll take one down season over a constant diet of mediocre seasons anytime.

Whitner got signed this week.  Just wanted to update you on that "football historian." 

[Car123]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

How many years under Hurney did we actually have money under the salary cap?

Hurney took a year to year approach, and it showed in our records.

Due to overpaying our own guys. He was pretty decent at managing the cap until after the Arizona game.

[CPantherKing]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Whitner is still available for a reason.

And if we go "all in" for this one season, don't make the Super Bowl and then watch guys like Turner, Lotulelei or Short go bye bye, then what do fans say?

We spent 11 years under a GM who went "all in" every season. What do we have to show for it?

Smart teams plan to be good this year, next year, two, three and more years down the road. Not just right now.

Is this season a rough one? So far, but it ain't over yet. Regardless, we're in a better position to win consistently than we've ever been in team history.

Even if this one stays bad (which is not a given) I'll take one down season over a constant diet of mediocre seasons anytime.

Whitner is not available for a reason. Whitner also chose not to sign with the Panthers for a reason (see rookies/aka headaches/career suicide).

Lotulelei is not gone after this season (5th year option). Short is likely gone since Gettleman will not pay him what he wants. Same goes for Turner. Norwell likely gets paid to a cheaper contract since he is an average starter, and Williams moves in to Turner's spot. So, that money is not being spent. Gettleman will try to use it in free agency, but tier 1 players and their agents want nothing to do with Gettleman and his "dictatorship". So, it will turn out to be wasted money, but Gettleman has been very good at wasting time, money, and draft picks.

Hurney did not go all in every season. He went all in for the 2008 season. He then positioned the team to rebuild for 2011 and get through JRs mess. Then he signed contracts to fulfill the CBA requirements through 2013. You just love to hate Hurney. He has given this team more than Gettleman has done. Gettleman has a ways to go to match what Hurney gave this team. 3.5 great seasons, 2 great rebuilds, and the most pro bowl/all pro/top 100 players of any GM in Panthers history. Remember, Gettleman was brought in to achieve back to back winning season. He has yet to do that, and this season looks to continue the trend.

A smart team rebuilds a team to be competitive in at least 2 years. Then they leverage their competitive position to be the best in their conference and win a SB knowing that this may only last 2 to 3 seasons. Once a team wins the SB, then that smart team focuses on the 12 key players on the team, puts 75% of the salary cap in to them, and builds around them through the draft and free agency in an attempt to secure a dynasty over the next 3 seasons.

Also, the Panthers have not been consistent winners under Gettleman. He walked into a 2013 team he was not allowed to change. 2014 was his first true off season and he tore down a competitive team and turned them into a losing team. 7-8-1 is not a winning season, and you know it.

A constant diet of mediocre seasons? 2002 and 2011 were impressive rebuilding seasons. 2003, 2005, and 2008 were impressive seasons. 2010 was a Jerry Richardson mulligan. So, 5 good/exciting season and 5 mediocre seasons, and there were back to back mediocre season one time (2006/2007). I believe you just told us you are okay with that same production under Gettleman.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

How many years under Hurney did we actually have money under the salary cap?

Hurney took a year to year approach, and it showed in our records.

The Panthers always had money, and they always brought in free agents when needed. The only thing that halted this was the JR crusade for the CBA in 2010.

Hurney did not take a year to year approach. Where were you? He had Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad anchored in at WR for most of his tenure. Jake Delhomme and Cam Newton were his only franchise QBs. Stephen Davis/DeShaun Foster and then DeAngelo Williams/Jonathan Stewart were his RB combos. He maintained a Pro Bowl OT on the roster for his tenure in Gross. He always made sure his QB was protected. The DL was together for a while.

Hurney kept the foundation of his teams together for 5 to 6 seasons. The foundation he set for the current rebuild in 2011 is now in its final season, and you can tell now that we are seeing more of Gettleman's players having to step up. Unfortunately, many of them are struggling.

[Cj72]

I swear I don't understand all this jr is cheap stuff. The panthers have almost always been up near the cap and the coaches have been well compensated so how is that being cheap?

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

Whitner is not available for a reason. Whitner also chose not to sign with the Panthers for a reason (see rookies/aka headaches/career suicide).

Lotulelei is not gone after this season (5th year option). Short is likely gone since Gettleman will not pay him what he wants. Same goes for Turner. Norwell likely gets paid to a cheaper contract since he is an average starter, and Williams moves in to Turner's spot. So, that money is not being spent. Gettleman will try to use it in free agency, but tier 1 players and their agents want nothing to do with Gettleman and his "dictatorship". So, it will turn out to be wasted money, but Gettleman has been very good at wasting time, money, and draft picks.

Hurney did not go all in every season. He went all in for the 2008 season. He then positioned the team to rebuild for 2011 and get through JRs mess. Then he signed contracts to fulfill the CBA requirements through 2013. You just love to hate Hurney. He has given this team more than Gettleman has done. Gettleman has a ways to go to match what Hurney gave this team. 3.5 great seasons, 2 great rebuilds, and the most pro bowl/all pro/top 100 players of any GM in Panthers history. Remember, Gettleman was brought in to achieve back to back winning season. He has yet to do that, and this season looks to continue the trend.

A smart team rebuilds a team to be competitive in at least 2 years. Then they leverage their competitive position to be the best in their conference and win a SB knowing that this may only last 2 to 3 seasons. Once a team wins the SB, then that smart team focuses on the 12 key players on the team, puts 75% of the salary cap in to them, and builds around them through the draft and free agency in an attempt to secure a dynasty over the next 3 seasons.

Also, the Panthers have not been consistent winners under Gettleman. He walked into a 2013 team he was not allowed to change. 2014 was his first true off season and he tore down a competitive team and turned them into a losing team. 7-8-1 is not a winning season, and you know it.

A constant diet of mediocre seasons? 2002 and 2011 were impressive rebuilding seasons. 2003, 2005, and 2008 were impressive seasons. 2010 was a Jerry Richardson mulligan. So, 5 good/exciting season and 5 mediocre seasons, and there were back to back mediocre season one time (2006/2007). I believe you just told us you are okay with that same production under Gettleman.

The Panthers always had money, and they always brought in free agents when needed. The only thing that halted this was the JR crusade for the CBA in 2010.

Hurney did not take a year to year approach. Where were you? He had Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad anchored in at WR for most of his tenure. Jake Delhomme and Cam Newton were his only franchise QBs. Stephen Davis/DeShaun Foster and then DeAngelo Williams/Jonathan Stewart were his RB combos. He maintained a Pro Bowl OT on the roster for his tenure in Gross. He always made sure his QB was protected. The DL was together for a while.

Hurney kept the foundation of his teams together for 5 to 6 seasons. The foundation he set for the current rebuild in 2011 is now in its final season, and you can tell now that we are seeing more of Gettleman's players having to step up. Unfortunately, many of them are struggling.

This is some of the absolute dumbest spin I've ever seen.

Are you even trying to sound credible at this point, or are you just posting the dumbest s--t possible to see who bites on it?

It's pretty easy to keep the "foundation" of a losing team together for 5-6 seasons or more.

And seriously, "3.5 great seasons and 2 rebuilds"?  Who's idiot enough to buy that argument?

[scpanther22]

That article reads more like a fan POV as opposed to someone clued in with anything dealing with the team.