Cam getting a concussion was his fault

[ickmule]

1 minute ago, truthjuice said:

lol that's false. You're crazy if you think Cam has played his best football and it's behind him. He hasn't even began to peak yet. 

Like I said, I'll eat crow if I'm wrong and I'll do it gladly. I just don't see him getting any better or matching   last year. I've always thought, even at Auburn, that Cam played lazy at times and the play in question and the lack of a fumble recovery attempt in the SB are prime examples of that.

[truthjuice]

Just now, ickmule said:

Like I said, I'll eat crow if I'm wrong and I'll do it gladly. I just don't see him getting any better or matching   last year. I've always thought, even at Auburn, that Cam played lazy at times and the play in question and the lack of a fumble recovery attempt in the SB are prime examples of that.

Cam may be a lot of things, but I've never seen lazy. I've seen frustrated and a piss poor attitude but never lazy. He's 27. Constantly working on his mechanics, decision making, an OC to challenge and help expand his game. Cam hasn't even started hitting the ceiling. 

[ickmule]

Just now, truthjuice said:

Cam may be a lot of things, but I've never seen lazy. I've seen frustrated and a piss poor attitude but never lazy. He's 27. Constantly working on his mechanics, decision making, an OC to challenge and help expand his game. Cam hasn't even started hitting the ceiling. 

I don't mean to imply he is lazy in preparation because I don't believe he is, but I think he plays with less than 100% effort on occasion.....lazy plays, not complete lazy games. I think he let up on that play where he got the concussion and took a hit he didn't need to. I agree he can reach a higher ceiling, but I don't think any changes will be made to our staff to help. RR thinks it's lack of execution and not coaching. Once a change is made Cam will be in his 10th or 11th year. 

 

[truthjuice]

2 minutes ago, ickmule said:

I don't mean to imply he is lazy in preparation because I don't believe he is, but I think he plays with less than 100% effort on occasion.....lazy plays, not complete lazy games. I think he let up on that play where he got the concussion and took a hit he didn't need to. I agree he can reach a higher ceiling, but I don't think any changes will be made to our staff to help. RR thinks it's lack of execution and not coaching. Once a change is made Cam will be in his 10th or 11th year. 

 

I can agree with you here. Hoping that the change is made before that. I mentioned Megatron earlier and how he wasted talent with no real opportunities in Detroit. I would hate to see Cam go out like that, but I do think he can really dominate. He needs a better staff. I think Shula was good for him while in that learning curve but now is the time for Cam to really grow his game. 

[MechaZain]

Just now, sobe said:

I'm curious as to what you would have him to do. You think he alter his position in a way that would both cause him to affect his angle and give the runner a better path to reach the ball over the goal line?

I don't believe he went for his head. He was trying to stop him at the line and didn't have enough time to square up. But It's a dangerous hit nonetheless and we should be condemning tackles like that every time intentional or not. We're only talking about how Cam should have avoided it and not how the LB shouldn't have done it in the first place.

[ickmule]

3 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

I can agree with you here. Hoping that the change is made before that. I mentioned Megatron earlier and how he wasted talent with no real opportunities in Detroit. I would hate to see Cam go out like that, but I do think he can really dominate. He needs a better staff. I think Shula was good for him while in that learning curve but now is the time for Cam to really grow his game. 

No question he can grow with changes, but I would be shocked if any are made over the next 2 years. Sadly I believe part of the team has lost confidence in management and to some degree game plan. I hope I'm wrong. 

[truthjuice]

6 minutes ago, ickmule said:

No question he can grow with changes, but I would be shocked if any are made over the next 2 years. Sadly I believe part of the team has lost confidence in management and to some degree game plan. I hope I'm wrong. 

Well I agree with that. I've said that since last night. They don't trust or have confidence in coaches or management. It shows big time. I don't think there's a problem between players, the disconnect is with coaches and management. They're all going through the motions. 

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, sobe said:

I'm curious as to what you would have him to do. You think he alter his position in a way that would both cause him to affect his angle and give the runner a better path to reach the ball over the goal line?

Its hilarious that you think that a 6-1 man coming in low can hit a 6-5 man's head with his head without launching himself at it.

No, no, no... perfectly natural motion.  All accidental, I'm sure.

[PhillyB]

On October 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, cookinbrak said:

Check out Remmers "accidentally" putting a knee drop on that dudes head....

lmao ok he gets a pass or two for that one

[sobe]

Lol, I see there are even more Panther fans that think if a runnet breaks the goal line he can't be hit. 

[Happy Panther]

7 hours ago, 15 said:

He wasn't defenseless as the book states and Jones didn't use the crown of his helmet. 

Gotcha. Kind of looked like the crown but even Cam wasn't pointing fingers.

[DaveThePanther2008]

21 hours ago, sobe said:

I have no idea whether or not that is true.  However, using that play as an example makes it appear that you are paranoid in your protection of Newton.

Is that the word of the day for you?  Paranoid is the best you got...... 

That play is indicative of all the headshot hits he has taken so far this year.  Minimum of 5 head shots with only one penalty (offsetting at that)

Typical Millennial.  Spouting off the mouth with their miniscule post count. 

[RoaringRiot]

15 hours ago, MechaZain said:

I don't believe he went for his head. He was trying to stop him at the line and didn't have enough time to square up. But It's a dangerous hit nonetheless and we should be condemning tackles like that every time intentional or not. We're only talking about how Cam should have avoided it and not how the LB shouldn't have done it in the first place.

Why exactly should the LB not have done it?

[MechaZain]

3 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

Why exactly should the LB not have done it?

Guy risked major injury to try and make a near impossible stop. If that was the only tackle he could make from that angle then it wasn't worth it. We shouldn't encourage trying to make the play at all costs.

Cam was clearly too nonchalant about it and I'm sure the LB was still seeing red after being taunted. Both were boneheaded and they're lucky that only one of their brains got rocked on that stupid play.