The Offensive Line isn't the problem.

[DaveThePanther2008]

39 minutes ago, CRA said:

Week 1 it was bogus.

Week 3 was just standard junk IMO.  Can always argue about calls but week 1 they clearly allowed the opponent an edge on calls IMO

If I remember correctly about 4 or 5 calls came during a critical time in the second half where we could have answered Minnesota's 2nd half surge.

[thefuzz]

Cam is a gunslinger, always has been, most likely always will be.

He will be dazzling one week, and confusing the next.....I think that he has a lot of Elway and Favre in him.  That's a good and bad thing.....and sometimes a great thing.

We will be fine.

[tiger7_88]

11 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

So many here accuse Shula of calling slow developing plays, but Cam usually has an outlet if the pocket breaks down, or he has the option to run.  I think he has done a phenomenal job learning to be a pocket passer over the last few years, but it almost seems that sometimes he should be pulling the trigger on a run a little bit quicker, or be ok with getting a 3-4 yard gain.  Take the play on which Mn got the safety.  Several have said the wrong play was called, but if you watch the replay, Dickson was wide open for a short yardage pass.  Cam probably could have got the ball to Dickson, and set up a 3 and 5 or less, but he was looking downfield for a big play.  When Oher fell down, he should have immediately thrown it Dickson, thrown it away, or ran.  

Dickson was open, but he was likely the 3rd (possibly 4th?) read in Cam's progression.

Did he really have "plenty of time" to get to his 3rd read with his LT getting stomped on right beside him?  Or is he supposed to assume his LT is going to get bull-rushed and fall to the ground and turn the check-down into his 1st read?

Cam is fugging fearless in the pocket and stands tall and makes his reads.  To me that is a GOOD thing.  Also the end result of that, considering our receivers propensity to not get separation, is often a sack.  I'll take that instead of a happy-feet QB that looks to rid himself of the ball in his hands at the very sound of a pass rush around him.

[Davidson Deac II]

3 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Dickson was open, but he was likely the 3rd (possibly 4th?) read in Cam's progression.

Did he really have "plenty of time" to get to his 3rd read with his LT getting stomped on right beside him?  Or is he supposed to assume his LT is going to get bull-rushed and fall to the ground and turn the check-down into his 1st read?

Cam is fugging fearless in the pocket and stands tall and makes his reads.  To me that is a GOOD thing.  Also the end result of that, considering our receivers propensity to not get separation, is often a sack.  I'll take that instead of a happy-feet QB that looks to rid himself of the ball in his hands at the very sound of a pass rush around him.

 

It wasn't right beside him, Oher fell down a good 10-12 feet in front of him.  Then someone else (I forget who) tried to get in front of the rusher, to no avail.  That being said, It was definitely a bang bang play, and I never said he had plenty of time.  

But a qb has to have situational awareness, and knowing that he was standing in his end zone, that is one situation where you cannot take a sack.  Or throw an interception.    

I am sure that looking back, he realizes that and the next time he is in that situation, the ball will come out a lot faster.  

Fwiw, I wasn't trying to single out Cam.  The entire offense was off Sunday, hopefully its something that they can fix this week.  Atlanta's d is nowhere near as good as Denver/Mn, so if we can avoid mental mistakes, the offense should have a much better performance.  

[philit99]

17 hours ago, CamMoon said:

 

By any standard our oline is average at worst. The problem is the slow developing plays that Shula loves to run. This is in comparison with most of the NFL who have fallen in love with dumping the ball off for 4 yards every down. When Cam actually has time he have the most efficient offense in the league.

The problem is that any team with a decent passrush will get to Cam. Teams like Minnesota, Denver, Houston etc will tee off on Cam. Luckily for us nobody in our division has a good passrush, but we need to either fire Shula or he needs to adjust .

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The offensive line is not our problem? It is now.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

In order to blame Shula for everything, you also have to believe that Cam only has one option on every play, which is pure BS. He can audible to a run, he can run it himself, he can take the check down instead of waiting for the play 25yds downfield on 3rd and 5. Tom Brady knows how to get out of bad plays and he knows how to make something out of nothing when he's being rushed. I've seen the guy do it a thousand times and he's been through plenty of OC's who failed at other places,  behind no name O-lines, with no name WR's, and without much athletic ability.

[Snake]

17 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Honestly until the 4th quarter where 4 of the sacks occurred and their defense could tee off on our line, we had lots of drives which were nullified by penalties and mistakes.  We simply go up 17-2 and the whole game changes.  The second half turned when they got the ball and drove down and scored to go up 16 to 10.  At 17-10 we are still in charge and dont have to press to catch up.  

As for the safety, that as all on Cam.  He could have thrown the ball away at least, something he does too infrequently.  It is his competitiveness.  He doesnt want to throw it away and go to the next down.  He tries to make a play which sometimes works and other times blows up on him.  You have to live and die with Cam for better or worse. Mostly better.....

Look at the palm. Where can you throw a ball within 3 seconds and it not get picked or be a penalty. 

[Snake]

9 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Depends on when he decided to throw, and those things could have been avoided by lofting the ball just a bit.  Or he had room to move up in the pocket a bit.  But worst case, he should have thrown it away.  IMO, that was mostly on Cam and Oher. Of course, with better play on the punt return and without KB's penalty, this discussion is probably not happening.  

There was not a easy throw. It was a very aggressive and poorly called play. Should have ran the ball and lived another play. 

[ThatSeattleBoy]

21 hours ago, CamMoon said:

 

By any standard our oline is average at worst. The problem is the slow developing plays that Shula loves to run. This is in comparison with most of the NFL who have fallen in love with dumping the ball off for 4 yards every down. When Cam actually has time he have the most efficient offense in the league.

The problem is that any team with a decent passrush will get to Cam. Teams like Minnesota, Denver, Houston etc will tee off on Cam. Luckily for us nobody in our division has a good passrush, but we need to either fire Shula or he needs to adjust .

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Wow, took you guys that long to realize this? You guys even watch your team? Every play it is the same long developing route, predictable and gives good rushers more time. It is like shooting ducks that don't move. An OL can only hold up for so long, trust me, Packers know all about this.

Can't wait to see you guys in the post season so Clay can get his licks in, if Cam is not injured by then hehe. Ok, seriously, bashing aside; imo, you guys have the best player in the NFL, but he was always held back by the playcalling. Cam nor the Panthers will never reach their full potential under Ron nor Shula. Of course that is fine with me. Panther tears are delicious.

Carry on with the crying.

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

There was not a easy throw. It was a very aggressive and poorly called play. Should have ran the ball and lived another play. 

IMO, it was a decently designed play that was poorly executed.  Guess we will have to agree to disagree.  

[iamhubby1]

3 hours ago, Snake said:

There was not a easy throw. It was a very aggressive and poorly called play. Should have ran the ball and lived another play. 

 

If we run it, and wind up punting. Fans get mad because we always go into prevent Offense. We do play aggressively, and fans want them to tone it down.

 

What is that old Rickey Nelson song? You can't please everyone. There are just too many fans out there for everyone to be on the same page. You just have to take the good with the bad.

 

The truth is. Ta Da. Cam is off. He rarely runs, or scrambles. His decision making is off, and slow. He doesn't seem to be having fun, and he rarely smiles. Hellz, he under threw Teddy for Pete's sake. I suppose that just because he is reigning MVP, RR will continue to start him. (Now that is sarcasm.)

[panthers1234]

23 hours ago, CamMoon said:

 

By any standard our oline is average at worst. The problem is the slow developing plays that Shula loves to run. This is in comparison with most of the NFL who have fallen in love with dumping the ball off for 4 yards every down. When Cam actually has time he have the most efficient offense in the league.

The problem is that any team with a decent passrush will get to Cam. Teams like Minnesota, Denver, Houston etc will tee off on Cam. Luckily for us nobody in our division has a good passrush, but we need to either fire Shula or he needs to adjust .

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Im not sure if its Cam or Shula. Usually there is someone open short that Cam can dump the ball off quickly but Cam likes to hold on and go thru his reads. It maybe something Cam needs to adjust to where he can call audibles for faster passes against great pass rush teams.  

[Marguide]

2 hours ago, ThatSeattleBoy said:

Wow, took you guys that long to realize this? You guys even watch your team? Every play it is the same long developing route, predictable and gives good rushers more time. It is like shooting ducks that don't move. An OL can only hold up for so long, trust me, Packers know all about this.

Can't wait to see you guys in the post season so Clay can get his licks in, if Cam is not injured by then hehe. Ok, seriously, bashing aside; imo, you guys have the best player in the NFL, but he was always held back by the playcalling. Cam nor the Panthers will never reach their full potential under Ron nor Shula. Of course that is fine with me. Panther tears are delicious.

Carry on with the crying.

Remind me what happened the last time we played Seattle. Or have you blacked that out via hypnosis or similar therapy?

[pantherphan96]

6 hours ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

In order to blame Shula for everything, you also have to believe that Cam only has one option on every play, which is pure BS. He can audible to a run, he can run it himself, he can take the check down instead of waiting for the play 25yds downfield on 3rd and 5. Tom Brady knows how to get out of bad plays and he knows how to make something out of nothing when he's being rushed. I've seen the guy do it a thousand times and he's been through plenty of OC's who failed at other places,  behind no name O-lines, with no name WR's, and without much athletic ability.

majority of Cam's options are downfield routes that take time to develop whereas Brady's offense has multiple slants and pick plays.