Panthers sign S Michael Griffin, Delaire to IR, Waive Ball

[KillerKat]

12 minutes ago, MV%doe said:

You sure about that? I remember him as a box safety. He always had high tackles totals too, which is harder for a FS.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrifMi99.htm

Only time it looks like he played some SS was in 2012. Every year, including most of that one, has been FS.

[Bartin]

33 minutes ago, mjligon said:

I hope that is the plan.

Tre Boston sucks and should only be playing in certain packages.

Yeah, the blowout package if we are up 30 in the 4th quarter

[CRA]

I will hold off on most my Gettlemen thoughts until after the season

but he had a bad offseason.  Honeymoon period is over.  Hurney kicked butt then too 

[cardiaccat52]

26 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

I wish we would have went after Chris long...coulda shoulda woulda 

100000% agree

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

but he had a bad offseason.  Honeymoon period is over.  Hurney kicked butt then too 

what more could he have done this offseason?

[rodeo]

Just now, carolinajay said:

what more could he have done this offseason?

He could have kept Norman (yes, it was an option). He could have pursued any number of the players who were traded around the league for mid round draft picks. He could have been active in free agency before day 15 or whenever.

[Kakarot]

Hate Ball got cut, but happy with the signings. Never wanted Love gone to begin with. 

[Ricky Spanish]

Just now, rodeo said:

He could have kept Norman (yes, it was an option). He could have pursued any number of the players who were traded around the league for mid round draft picks. He could have been active in free agency before day 15 or whenever.

Who's to say he didn't pursue those players but the other team wasn't willing to deal? He kept the core of a super bowl roster together while letting a CB walk to get paid the highest contract at his position. He's thinking long term. 

[slumdogmillionaire]

Those that mentioned Weddle, Long, etc....that does bug me Bc we never used the tag money we had with Norman.  So we are sitting on 20 million this year when we could have used it to win a SB?    Didn't even extend KK.

[rodeo]

Just now, Cracka McNasty said:

Who's to say he didn't pursue those players but the other team wasn't willing to deal? He kept the core of a super bowl roster together while letting a CB walk to get paid the highest contract at his position. He's thinking long term. 

He's thinking long term, but our window is now. When Gettleman got here he said that with our cap situation we had to shop at Walmart, then Target, then once it's fixed we could shop at Tiffany's. Well, we went through the Walmart and the Target years, and now that he has near 30 million in cap space, he looked at Tiffany's and shrugged and went back to Walmart.

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, rodeo said:

He could have kept Norman (yes, it was an option). He could have pursued any number of the players who were traded around the league for mid round draft picks. He could have been active in free agency before day 15 or whenever.

Norman didn't want to be here, do you really want a disgruntled Josh Norman?

Gettleman isn't a big trader, why would he start now after a super bowl appearance.

The last time the panthers were active in early free agency was 2011, so not being active in free agency wasn't new.

[pantherj]

Our Safeties are bad. We knew this heading into the season. Coleman is physically weak, nothing special speed wise, and though he seems to know the defense and the coaches trust him to get everyone lined up, he's still making mistakes. Tre Boston takes bad angles of pursuit too often and vacillates between good anticipation and bad the entire game. 

When you have corners who don't make enough plays, or way less than an average number of plays compared to other teams, then opposing teams are going to dink and dunk you with the pass. When you have good corners, it's stupid for an opposing team to use a lot of short passes to move the ball. Yes teams with HOF QBs dink and dunk, but it's a bad idea for most teams. Why? Good CBs will start to break on those passes. You're asking for INTs. But we dumped Norman, so we don't have that playmaker breaking on the ball for INTs. 

This has led to the idea that we're not getting a good pass rush. RR is out there with a stop watch timing the pass rush. He likes the pass rush so far. Yes CJ and Kony are not that great, but the secondary is a much bigger concern. We had plenty of money to sign Norman, no problem, but instead we're way under the cap from what I understand. Doesn't really make sense.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

what more could he have done this offseason?

He let Norman walk.  Could of tagged him, could of traded him, could of done something with him.  You don't build up an asset like Norman to just cut him. 

He let him walk.  That caused him to draft clearly for need to try to fix the last minute debacle of the Norman situation.  Limited the impact the draft could have on our team.  

Didn't upgrade at obvious areas of need and I am not talking about bringing in an all pro. 

 

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

Norman didn't want to be here, do you really want a disgruntled Josh Norman?

Gettleman isn't a big trader, why would he start now after a super bowl appearance.

The last time the panthers were active in early free agency was 2011, so not being active in free agency wasn't new.

Norman did want to be here.  That isn't a debate.