Get rid of shula

[carolinajay]

The only man that can hold Cam under 20 points is Mike Shula.

A big problem for the panthers is adjustments. Another OC would've seen Cam holding on to the ball too long and called for shorter routes, Shula thought process was to play mind games against Zimmer by calling even longer/slower developing routes.

[Navy_football]

3 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Personnel......don't know how you blame Shula for holding the ball to long, dropping passes,getting crucial penalties after we have a big gain. As always wr's can't get separation....I don't know how Shula gets the blame for this one 

You do have a point. 

But, why does every pass play depend on the WR beating a defender, and Cam making a perfect throw into coverage? At least today, after the safety, Shula was not able to get guys open based on route combinations. They were high school level for the most part. Route combinations should influence defenders out of their zones, or confuse them into choosing the wrong receiver. 

How about a crossing route? How about running routes in the same area at different levels? How about running at the safety overtop KB forcing that safety to pull off? Just a few examples I didn't notice today. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

"holding the ball too long"

"wr's can't get separation"

Sometimes I wonder if people ever listen to themselves lol...

And, last time I checked, the guys who are overall responsible for preparing players to execute?

Take a guess...

COACHES.

Example: the safety, fozzy is wide open in the left flats....held it too long.

 

you can prepare a player as much as you want but if they suck it up that's not on the coaches.....can't coach how not to under throw and how to catch wide open passes.....or how not to get bullied in pass protection....

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Example: the safety, fozzy is wide open in the left flats....held it too long.

 

you can prepare a player as much as you want but if they suck it up that's not on the coaches.....can't coach how not to under throw and how to catch wide open passes.....or how not to get bullied in pass protection....

Yeah, I noticed someone open there too. I thought it was Dickson though.

But all QBs miss open guys - even Brady. Not gonna crucify Cam for missing an open receiver with pressure in his face coming out of his own endzone.

I think the mentality of the playcalling there was just wrong. Short to intermediate routes so Cam doesn't have the option to stand back there waiting for guys to get open. You know Cam wants to make big plays. When backed up in your own endzone, maybe have one guy run a route farther than 15 yards. If your first 2 reads are going deep, you may not have time to get to the third or fourth. 

[ncmonzta]

there were few times were the checkpoint was open and cam missed them. i noticed we'd put 4 wrs and a te out and run the ball. usually when we passed we only put out 2 wrs and a te. minnesota dropped back 5 to 6 guys against 2 wrs deep. thats why we couldnt do poo most of the game.

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[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

10 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Example: the safety, fozzy is wide open in the left flats....held it too long.

 

you can prepare a player as much as you want but if they suck it up that's not on the coaches.....can't coach how not to under throw and how to catch wide open passes.....or how not to get bullied in pass protection....

Well, you can coach those things, just not in game. In game, you can adjust your play calls to account for those things.

[tiger7_88]

14 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

But all QBs miss open guys - even Brady. Not gonna crucify Cam for missing an open receiver with pressure in his face coming out of his own endzone.

You don't understand the Cam Standard, I see.

The Cam Standard has two parts:

- Cam Newton is required to be perfect.

- If Cam Newton is not perfect, he is solely responsible for the team's failure.

There will be a test on this later.

[raleigh-panther]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've heavily, HEAVILY criticized him in the past and again today.  After having the #1 offense in the league last year, it's too early to jerk the rug out from under him, but Ron needs to sit his ass down and make him understand that he's not going to continue to sit back and watch his complete inability to make in-game adjustments.  When the pass rush starts getting home, we HAVE to adapt and focus on drawing up play calls focused on getting the ball out quicker.  The answer isn't keeping more guys in to protect and leaving yourself with no checkdown options due to that.

NFL defenses catch up

The Panthers offense has not changed to the catch up

i do not personally believe it is sustainable in its current form

Newton has taken quite a beating over the past few games. He looks indecisive. Indecisive to throw.  Indecisive and slow running . He almost seems fearful and that's just my observation not an accusation

i believe I saw a stat that he had 2.5 seconds to throw.

 

[AceBoogie]

Why does it take 30 seconds to get a play call in? Shula needs to get the fug out of the box and get on the field and coach 

[Cpt slay a ho]

38 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah, I noticed someone open there too. I thought it was Dickson though.

But all QBs miss open guys - even Brady. Not gonna crucify Cam for missing an open receiver with pressure in his face coming out of his own endzone.

I think the mentality of the playcalling there was just wrong. Short to intermediate routes so Cam doesn't have the option to stand back there waiting for guys to get open. You know Cam wants to make big plays. When backed up in your own endzone, maybe have one guy run a route farther than 15 yards. If your first 2 reads are going deep, you may not have time to get to the third or fourth. 

I agree I'm not knocking cam just using some examples, potential td before the half and a potential td late in the game to funchess missed, those things happens but both were good play calls. To many players just didn't performed  well today ST,DE,O line,Qb, Wr all look poor today 

 

also so that might have been Dickson I'm not sure 

[Cpt slay a ho]

37 minutes ago, ItsNotGonnaBeAlright said:

Well, you can coach those things, just not in game. In game, you can adjust your play calls to account for those things.

Only adjustment i can think of off the top of my head is short passes to help the oline in pass protection...thing is none of our wr exceed in catching in traffic or are considerd sure handed.

[AJ137]

Is it just me or do we not make any/good offensive adjustments at halftime? Even if you have had success in the first half, simple, little adjustments may be needed just to keep the offense ahead. We had problems last year offensively in the 2nd half of some games. But especially, Seattle in the playoffs last year, Denver this year, and today vs. Minnesota, it just looks like the opposing defenses are adjusting at halftime and we come out not looking prepared for them.

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

17 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Only adjustment i can think of off the top of my head is short passes to help the oline in pass protection...thing is none of our wr exceed in catching in traffic or are considerd sure handed.

They were bringing at least one blitzer on almost every down, usually two. The middle of the field was wide open all day, and we never took advantage of that. We were constantly going for long, drawn out pass plays, and that is a Shula hallmark. And you're right, adjusting that way would have helped pass protection in a big way, but it never happened. Benjammin, Funchess, and Olsen in the middle would have gone a long way, but we decided to keep Olsen in as a blocker and use KB and Funch downfield as an answer to a really strong pass rush. That's on Shula, all day.

[MadHatter]

Watching most of you try and have a logical and intelligent thought process after a loss is like watching a monkey humping a football....slightly amusing but actually more sad.