Cam Newton Is Just A Football Player

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

Lol, okay. 

 

9 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

Of course it's ridiculous to you. You don't have to go through what many blacks have to go through. You don't have to deal with many discriminations. You don't have to deal with the fact that my name might be Tyquan, but I shorten my name to Ty so my name is less ethnic. Cam, as well as myself, Truth, etc have to be careful of what we say, because I don't want to hurt the next brother or sister through my words. Not only do I have to be careful of what I say, but I have to be careful of my actions because if I screw up, then I sew that seed of doubt in my managers head to where he now feels that all blacks screw up or are not fully capable to do the job. That's systematic racism in effect, and Cam's words allow for the status quo to remain. I don't care what you or anyone says, Cam's might have eased the mind of one to where they feel they can continue to do what they're doing. Cam's words give that ammunition. When you're in a position of power, you have to be careful of what you say or do, because your words influence. Your lack of understanding is crazy, but not surprising. I expect you not to understand, but your arrogance low key infuriates me. Who are you to say what any of us are saying in here is ridiculous. People like you are a problem.

Arrogance, huh?

"Hey Cam, thanks for going to the families of the church shooting victims (without asking for news coverage), all the work your foundation does in the community and the many great things you've done for kids."

"Now that stuff's cool and all. But see, if you don't speak out about politics (whether you want to or not) and more specifically you don't say the things that I think you ought to say, then none of that other nice stuff you do means anything and you're actually hurting the black community."

"See, you may not realize it, but you have a responsibility to use your hard earned fame to validate my views on current events. And if you refuse to do that, you're making my life and the lives of every other black person worse."

 

 

 

Now that's arrogance.

[Mojo]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not really.

The notion that Cam Newton is making it harder for other black people is kind of silly.

Is that really all you got from that?  Wow.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Mojo said:

Is that really all you got from that?  Wow.  

"All we're asking from homie is to not hurt the fight, and his comments do exactly that. "

[Kakarot]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Arrogance, huh?

"Hey Cam, thanks for going to the families of the church shooting victims (without asking for news coverage), all the work your foundation does in the community and the many great things you've done for kids."

"Now that stuff's cool and all. But see, if you don't speak out about politics (whether you want to or not) and more specifically you don't say the things that I think you ought to say, then none of that other nice stuff you do means anything and you're actually hurting the black community."

"See, you may not realize it, but you have a responsibility to use your hard earned fame to validate my views on current events. And if you refuse to do that, you're making my life and the lives of every other black person worse."

 

 

 

Now that's arrogance.

Nobody in here has discounted anything Cam has done. In fact, I live in College Park right now. His hometown. I see what he has done. My girl grew up with him. We all acknowledge what he's done. We're allowed to give him some criticism, though. I remember it was posters like you and others who called us Cam Huggers when we attacked anyone for coming at Cam. In fact, while you were criticizing him about his consistency and remaining quiet while racist hurls were being thrown at him since 2011, it's been all the posters in here who have been defending him since day one! So cut that crap out. You were always quiet as a mouse when he was getting attacked, and have rarely took part in Cam threads. 

You're arrogant af to sit in here and tell us what we expect from Cam is ridiculous. Easy for you to say when his words don't have the potential to hurt you. To go up and say racism isn't going on, we're off that, is a stab in the back to the millions of African Americans in this country fighting for true equality. 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

Nobody in here has discounted anything Cam has done. In fact, I live in College Park right now. His hometown. I see what he has done. My girl grew up with him. We all acknowledge what he's done. We're allowed to give him some criticism, though. I remember it was posters like you and others who called us Cam Huggers when we attacked anyone for coming at Cam. In fact, while you were criticizing him about his consistency and remaining quiet while racist hurls were being thrown at him since 2011, it's been all the posters in here who have been defending him since day one! So cut that crap out. You were always quiet as a mouse when he was getting attacked, and have rarely took part in Cam threads. 

You're arrogant af to sit in here and tell us what we expect from Cam is ridiculous. Easy for you to say when his words don't have the potential to hurt you. To go up and say racism isn't going on, we're off that, is a stab in the back to the millions of African Americans in this country fighting for true equality. 

Riiiight.

You know we're firmly entrenched in a world of symbolism over substance when we have people suggesting that someone who's done as much real work in the community and helped as many people as Newton has - mind you, without seeking credit, glory and attention for himself - is considered to be doing less good for people than a guy who kneels while they're playing the national anthem.

Sheesh.

[truthjuice]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Arrogance, huh?

"Hey Cam, thanks for going to the families of the church shooting victims (without asking for news coverage), all the work your foundation does in the community and the many great things you've done for kids."

"Now that stuff's cool and all. But see, if you don't speak out about politics (whether you want to or not) and more specifically you don't say the things that I think you ought to say, then none of that other nice stuff you do means anything and you're actually hurting the black community."

"See, you may not realize it, but you have a responsibility to use your hard earned fame to validate my views on current events. And if you refuse to do that, you're making my life and the lives of every other black person worse."

 

 

 

Now that's arrogance.

I, and I'm almost positive without knowing him, know that Kakarot does not need Cam to validate my opinions and views in injustices or any matter. My only want for him is for him to feel comfortable enough to say what he damn well feels. I have said here and I will always take my hat off to Cam for all that he does in the community for white and black, a lot of unnoticed. It's simple things like this summer, he was in the neighborhood and bought out the ice cream truck and made some kids day. It's little things and I'll always give him props. I also understand and respect his position in that we have work to do on both sides. But what's real is that, yes when he said we're over racism that hurt the people fighting this fight because it comes off as "oh well, we're over it." He didn't even believe that. None of this is hard to understand, you just don't want to and that is perfectly fine with me. I told you that earlier. I don't disagree with his position, but some statements he can keep. 

[Mojo]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

"All we're asking from homie is to not hurt the fight, and his comments do exactly that. "

Yeah, there was a lot more to his post than that.  He said quite a bit, and he said it well.  

It's true that Cam saying the world is past racism did not help anything.   His recent comments were better, but it still feels like he's trying to appease both sides.  He can say what he wants, he's grown, but we aren't wrong to come to expect a little more from a guy who didn't bite his tongue about race during superbowl week.

It doesn't personally make my life harder, I'll be fine.  But it does delay the true solution to this ugly scab that we keep picking at.  

I'm not gonna go back and forth.  I think reducing his argument to one sentence is unfair.  If that's not what you intended then so be it.  Also if that's what you really believe, then so be it..just try to see someone else's side.

 

[pstall]

When you are your own person and don't vicariously live thru someone else, you stand a greater chance of NEVER being let down from someone you look up to.

On the flip side, far too many people have an unhealthy view of their idols. Idolizing another human is very dangerous.  Like the op mentioned people do hang onto every word. That's scary.

Within the black community there's too many unspoken rules or expectations for others to live up to. It's what i have called 2 paths to being black. There's the being close to white path( or as someone said more PC the safe black) or the keeping it real path. To swing to the extreme of calling someone a sell out or uncle tom all because they handle it a different way than you is goofy. Just my observation. 

Why not focus on the individual and be more pragmatic about how to approach something?

Why not let Cam handle something as he sees fit? Why label which is a more clinical way of judging someone?

Sometimes a person has the same goal or motive as you but may go about it a completely different way.

A football example since this is uhh a football forum.

Look at each player's pre-game routine. Is each guy prepping EXACTLY like all his teammates? Some like hyped music.  Some chill.  Some want to be quiet and others want to rock. Some walk around others sit. Some eat the same thing and some it's random.

But they ALL want to win. 

Check yourself out and look at your own biases and stereotyping you do. How often do you speak or think in absolutes? If you say or think words like always or everytime or they or them or black or white or young or old etc, you have robbed both yourself and those that you interact with of personal growth. 

I wish pros and celebs would do or say more on a host of issues but if i have convictions and guts, i won't wait on them. Go and lead by example on your own and maybe that person you use to idolize will not follow YOU.

[Kakarot]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Riiiight.

You know we're firmly entrenched in a world of symbolism over substance when we have people suggesting that someone who's done as much real work in the community and helped as many people as Newton has is considered to be doing less good for people than a guy who kneels while they're playing the national anthem.

Sheesh.

Who in here has done that? Deflect deflect deflect. In fact, we've stated in past threads that Cam helps the community in his way, while Kaep does in his way. I've witnessed the good Cam has done, just like I have college bros who's witnessed what Colin's done. But lol, I picked up on the shot at Colin. You just can't help it. You don't know what work Colin has done. There goes that arrogance again. This is MLK vs Malcolm, with Cam being MLK and Colin being Malcolm in your eyes. You're going to discredit everything he's done (with no proof to back it up), because you don't like his approach. I'm able to acknowledge the good both have done. Symbolism vs substance? Lol. Man get out of here. There's substance in what both Cam and Colin's doing.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Mojo said:

Yeah, there was a lot more to his post than that.  He said quite a bit, and he said it well.  

It's true that Cam saying the world is past racism did not help anything.   His recent comments were better, but it still feels like he's trying to appease both sides.  He can say what he wants, he's grown, but we aren't wrong to come to expect a little more from a guy who didn't bite his tongue about race during superbowl week.

It doesn't personally make my life harder, I'll be fine.  But it does delay the true solution to this ugly scab that we keep picking at.  

I'm not gonna go back and forth.  I think reducing his argument to one sentence is unfair.  If that's not what you intended then so be it.

 

How many times have people fought back against someone telling Cam he needed to be like they thought he should be instead of who he is?

How is this any different?

Just because it's coming from a different group? Uh uh. Not good enough.

Newton's done a lot of real good for a lot of people, and much of it in private. But now suddenly he's not doing as much as a guy who takes a knee on national TV during a song.

The whole notion is just silly.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

Who in here has done that? Deflect deflect deflect. In fact, we've stated in past threads that Cam helps the community in his way, while Kaep does in his way. I've witnessed the good Cam has done, just like I have college bros who's witnessed what Colin's done. But lol, I picked up on the shot at Colin. You just can't help it. You don't know what work Colin has done. There goes that arrogance again. This is MLK vs Malcolm, with Cam being MLK and Colin being Malcolm in your eyes. You're going to discredit everything he's done (with no proof to back it up), because you don't like his approach. I'm able to acknowledge the good both have done. Symbolism vs substance? Lol. Man get out of here. There's substance in what both Cam and Colin's doing.

So now Cam is supposed to be Martin Luther King and Colin Kaepernick is Malcolm X?

Seriously...wow.

(you might wanna see pstall's post above)

[Kakarot]

4 hours ago, pstall said:

When you are your own person and don't vicariously live thru someone else, you stand a greater chance of NEVER being let down from someone you look up to.

On the flip side, far too many people have an unhealthy view of their idols. Idolizing another human is very dangerous.  Like the op mentioned people do hang onto every word. That's scary.

Within the black community there's too many unspoken rules or expectations for others to live up to. It's what i have called 2 paths to being black. There's the being close to white path( or as someone said more PC the safe black) or the keeping it real path. To swing to the extreme of calling someone a sell out or uncle tom all because they handle it a different way than you is goofy. Just my observation. 

Why not focus on the individual and be more pragmatic about how to approach something?

Why not let Cam handle something as he sees fit? Why label which is a more clinical way of judging someone?

Sometimes a person has the same goal or motive as you but may go about it a completely different way.

A football example since this is uhh a football forum.

Look at each player's pre-game routine. Is each guy prepping EXACTLY like all his teammates? Some like hyped music.  Some chill.  Some want to be quiet and others want to rock. Some walk around others sit. Some eat the same thing and some it's random.

But they ALL want to win. 

Check yourself out and look at your own biases and stereotyping you do. How often do you speak or think in absolutes? If you say or think words like always or everytime or they or them or black or white or young or old etc, you have robbed both yourself and those that you interact with of personal growth. 

I wish pros and celebs would do or say more on a host of issues but if i have convictions and guts, i won't wait on them. Go and lead by example on your own and maybe that person you use to idolize will not follow YOU.

"Within the black community there's too many unspoken rules or expectations for others to live up to"

How do you know this? You ever think there's a reason there's these so called "unspoken rules?" Tell me what you really know about being black, pstall? I'm curious to hear your answer.

Cam's a grown man, and he can speak on his situation all he wants, but he involved every single African American when he said, "racism, WERE (WE are) off that." That's where the criticism comes in. Cam has done some marvelous things for the community. I'm proud of him, Charlottes proud of him, his hometown of college park is proud of him, the whole soutside of Atlanta was rooting for him in the super bowl, but WE (there's that word again) don't agree that we're off racism. 

[top dawg]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Arrogance, huh?

"Hey Cam, thanks for going to the families of the church shooting victims (without asking for news coverage), all the work your foundation does in the community and the many great things you've done for kids."

"Now that stuff's cool and all. But see, if you don't speak out about politics (whether you want to or not) and more specifically you don't say the things that I think you ought to say, then none of that other nice stuff you do means anything and you're actually hurting the black community."

"See, you may not realize it, but you have a responsibility to use your hard earned fame to validate my views on current events. And if you refuse to do that, you're making my life and the lives of every other black person worse."

 

 

 

Now that's arrogance.

So, racism is a "current event," huh?  

You're taking things and words way out of context. Cam is appreciated for what he does by many within the community, blacks and otherwise, but on this particular issue, his initial response, not so much. Like I have told others, discriminating the good way is a virtue.  

[Kakarot]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So now Cam is supposed to be Martin Luther King and Colin Kaepernick is Malcolm X?

Seriously...wow.

(you might wanna see pstall's post above)

Lol, didn't imply that and you know that. Only reason I equated the two to MLK vs Malcolm is Cam (MLK) is the approach that most people like yourself likes, and Colin (Malcolm) is the approach that you dislike. Both Cam and Colin are there own men, but I was equating the twos approaches to MLK and Malcolm. 

Anyways, you just glossed right over what I said about Colin. You implied that Colin's stance lacked substance. How do you know this?