Cam Newton Is Just A Football Player

[top dawg]

17 minutes ago, Nick_81 said:

Look, I'm certainly not trying to argue that black people haven't been oppressed.  They have, and still are in a lot of cases.  I had this same conversation with a friend/co-worker yesterday, who's black.  Just like I mentioned to him, and have kept saying here, nothing is happening right now, except furthering the division.  

Do you not see the conflict in your statement?  You're stating that the whites are taking the few bad apples, and lumping the whole race into the same category.  You're doing the exact same thing within that same sentence.  Not all of "the white side" feels that way.  I don't, and my ass is as white as high speed copy paper.  I want nothing more than equality among all races.  We need to be "a people," not "my people," and "your people." 

Honestly, truthjuice, I don't know how to help make this happen.  I don't have a ton of money to put towards a movement to make a change.  I don't have a platform in which to voice my support for equality.  I think a damn good start could be right here on the huddle though.  I feel like it's ridiculous that I log in here every day, and see the back-and-forth on this subject, when this small community of fans could unite, and be one voice.  

We all come in here and set aside our differences of race, political affiliations, religious beliefs, etc., and are a single group of people, in support of a freaking football team.  Why the hell can't we do that for something as important as this?  Maybe we could make a difference together.  It's not going to happen if we keep pushing the "you blacks are doing this," and "you whites are doing that."  It just won't.  That's keeping the barrier(division) up, and keeping it strong.  

Any white person, that's not had their head in the sand, knows why black people are in the position that they are right now.  Black people were treated like animals by some of our ancestors, and there's some people that won't let go of the "racial superiority" that was created due to that.  There's no white person that will ever feel the way a black person has, because they've never been submitted to that kind of treatment, which still exists today, to a different degree.  It's time to wake the fug up, and it's time for people to have a functional heart(aka: really give a poo) about people, regardless of their skin color.  We can start right here, right now, quit the back-and-forth, and come up with something together.

That's one of the most honest posts I've read on this subject here. Thanks.

At least you realize and acknowledge that there is a problem, and you sound genuine in your desire that things were different. I appreciate that.

One thing that you can do as a white person is to teach your children those things that you already seem to know. You can also call out your white family and friends on their b.s. about blacks in your personal life. When you hear someone referring to blacks as the n-word, or proclaiming white superiority, you should put them in their place. You can also support politicians that share your same philosophy, as opposed to those who firmly support the status quo. You can't change the world, but you can make a prolific impact within your world.

[Nick_81]

19 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

I agree with it all. I'm more angry that this keeps happening and we (not here on the huddle but in general) keep having the same talks about becoming one. I love all people. I treat anyone I come in contact with, with the same respect. I give you exactly what you give to me. I pray for every soul the same. 

You have every right to be angry.  What can we do to change it?  I'm not the political type, but there are people on here who are.  Surely we could come up with something together, that we can get to the appropriate people.  That's why they are there, to be the voice of the people.  It's time we make them earn their paychecks...

11 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

The issue has spilled into sports because people in the community look to them to be the voice, right or wrong. I don't necessarily hold anyone to do that for me because I have my own voice. What I do not like is when the pot is constantly stirred with them about and once they speak, people are mad. My thing with Cam is that, I want him to speak what's real in his heart. I know he truly wants to bridge the gap. I know he truly sees people for people and nothing else. But I do not want him to feel like he can't want that but say what's on his mind. 

There's a possibility that other people are influencing what he says/doesn't say.  However, there's also a possibility that he's choosing to say, or not say, certain things on his own accord.  It's difficult to really know, without someone just outright saying it one way or the other.  I think the problem is, just like he stated, no matter what stance he takes, or how he approaches it, he's going to take the "hit" from whoever doesn't like the way he does it.

11 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

Blacks are still treated like animals. I mean just in Tulsa a cop shot a man down because he looked scary after she tased him. The other day I said on here we won't get over the past when it's still happening. 

I agree, they are.  I tried to allude to that in my statement, that they still are, although to a different degree.

 

 

[CPF4LIFE]

There is difference in Cam speaking out about people being upset about him being a black QB and speaking out on situations where people are dying and rioting. Im just saying I understand that enough to not use that against him. He has to be mindful of his comments because one is centered and can lead to violence and death while  the other wont because its just centered around a sport.

[top dawg]

26 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I dont like this guy but he is spot on with this, if you still dont understand Cams message.

Cam is a great leader on the football field. He seems to be a nice guy off the field that really cares about children. That's where it stops with me for now. And if that's all it ever is, I'm good with that. Just because you're a star football player doesn't make you a leader on social issues.

[SCMunnerlyn1]

I think if anyone on our team kneels during the anthem we can kiss a super bowl goodbye imo. 

[fieryprophet]

22 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's one of the most honest posts I've read on this subject here. Thanks.

At least you realize and acknowledge that there is a problem, and you sound genuine in your desire that things were different. I appreciate that.

One thing that you can do as a white person is to teach your children those things that you already seem to know. You can also call out your white family and friends on their b.s. about blacks in your personal life. When you hear someone referring to blacks as the n-word, or proclaiming white superiority, you should put them in their place. You can also support politicians that share your same philosophy, as opposed to those who firmly support the status quo. You can't change the world, but you can make a prolific impact within your world.

My stepfather growing up was a horrendous, disgusting, waste of human space. He actually believed that my brother's black best friend could not spend the night at our house because we'd have to wash all the bedding and bleach the mattress. His stupid ass believed this garbage in the early 2000s. The screaming matches I got into with that dickhead were unreal, but it's part of the reason I roll my eyes when people try to say racism is no longer persistent in society.

 

I won those arguments, though, GoldenEye 007 matches for days, lol

[Nick_81]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's one of the most honest posts I've read on this subject here. Thanks.

At least you realize and acknowledge that there is a problem, and you sound genuine in your desire that things were different. I appreciate that.

One thing that you can do as a white person is to teach your children those things that you already seem to know. You can also call out your white family and friends on their b.s. about blacks in your personal life. When you hear someone referring to blacks as the n-word, or proclaiming white superiority, you should put them in their place. You can also support politicians that share your same philosophy, as opposed to those who firmly support the status quo. You can't change the world, but you can make a prolific impact within your world.

I'm truly genuine in what I have said.  I do, and will always, instill that in my children.  I teach them that they are no better, as a human, than anyone else, and vice-versa.  The great thing about kids is, they're not that way, unless someone taught them that garbage.  Kids don't care what color you are.  It's only the moment when an adult influence puts those ideas in their little minds.  

My oldest son is 10 years old.  He's been charged, since 1st grade, to be the "mentor" to a mentally handicapped kid, named Nicholas.  Nicholas is also 10, and he is black.  My son and Nicholas love each other.  Whether in school, or if they see each other in public, you can see that they genuinely care for each other.  poo, it's hard on me to write about this.  Pulls the heart strings...

I've never stood by and just let people talk that way.  Where I grew up was very prominently white people, and I hated it when I heard people talk that way.  Couldn't just let them say poo like that.  There was a single black person that went to my school.  She was a year younger than me, and one of my best friends back then.  Awesome personality, and very fun to be around.  She was a hottie to, good lawd...  Trust me though, her older brothers wouldn't approve.  I don't recall anyone ever treating her differently, at least not when I was with her.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, fieryprophet said:

My stepfather growing up was a horrendous, disgusting, waste of human space. He actually believed that my brother's black best friend could not spend the night at our house because we'd have to wash all the bedding and bleach the mattress. His stupid ass believed this garbage in the early 2000s. The screaming matches I got into with that dickhead were unreal, but it's part of the reason I roll my eyes when people try to say racism is no longer persistent in society.

I won those arguments, though, GoldenEye 007 matches for days, lol

My dad was a rabid racist. When I made my first black friends (via football) let's just say he wasn't all that happy about it.

Once we got to high school, I was regularly giving one of them rides to and from practice. Issues were mostly mitigated because my dad was never home, but there still came a day when my dad managed to use the N word in front of him. He said it was no big deal but I apologized profusely and repeatedly anyway. It was embarrassing as all get out.

I will credit my dad was one thing. A big part of the reason I'm not racist is because I saw the ugliness that came out of his mouth and I didn't want to be anything like him.

These days I work in a mostly black environment have plenty of friends there.

My dad would probably be mortified.

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Who does give their true feelings all the time. Only dumbasses, people with no filter, and children before they learn better. Most every intelligent person has a private side and a public side which is often very different. Obviously Cam has figured this out, haven't you?

Then don't fuging speak on poo why is that so damn hard to comprehend?? Plenty of high influential blacks that don't speak on this poo and nobody giving them poo. You people forget Cam doesn't have to say poo as he showed you on the night of the Super Bowl. He's not the damn president he just needs to shut the fug up. 

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, PantherPhann89 said:

What... Can saying that he's a black QB, which he is and wearing an Ali shirt makes him a rebel... Really

Sigh, I don't have time to catch you up to speed 

[greghardy'sAK-47]

what we see on here with a few of the BLM activist types of the board is not how the majority of AA view Cam.  Why should he conform to a radical POV to appease so few just because they want a big name in their corner?  If we had some black church leaders and civic leaders, etc, etc coming out asking Cam to step up it would be one thing, but Cam doesn't need to conform to the activist groups that bus folks in from out of state to start riots and poo.  

 

you get crickets from the BLM types on these two POV.  

[Pox 08]

Cam walking the path of true equality.    It's the hardest road to travel.     Because both sides end up bitching and whining at ya for not picking their side.  

 

#StaystrongCam.

[Mvp2014]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

This is basically foolish. At this point, Kap has decidedly more credibility within the black community to speak out on issues of race and racism than Cam, or perhaps any other NFL player as far as that is concerned. Don't get it twisted. Being on the bench in football doesn't equate to being on the bench in life as it pertains to issues of race and racism.

The fact is, recently Kap's jersey was the highest selling one in the NFL. There was also a recent poll which showed that Kap was a favorite in the NFL by blacks, but basically the most disliked by whites.

As to Cam, he hasn't said much, for his own reasons, but he has said enough to let everyone know that he is not happy with the status quo. So all of you people thinking that he is giving his stamp of approval for the way that blacks have been treated in this country have your heads in the sand. That said, many blacks would prefer that he be a "just a football player."

 

 

 

 Cam is an educated man. Its very possible that he has different feelings and life experiences than the people you see 'protesting'.  

I didn't say anything about stamp of approval.  I said he is smart enough or has smart enough people around him not to fall into the trap.  There is nothing to gain from him doing that and alienating fans that love him, regardless of how he feels.  Kap, a benched qb who is going no where has much less to lose. BTW people hated Kap before this poo where he started dating a muslim DJ and playing activist.

BTW Where are the polls on which race hates which qb?  That is pretty ridiculous.  

[whatever]

4 hours ago, truthjuice said:

While I love Cam, I doubt that. I highly doubt that. The fact of the matter is the organization has decided for him that he will stay out of it. He's trying to please his community and his organization. Like I said before more of him will start to come out in these talks. And the white people will be mad again. He can't win for losing. But you guys like it. You guys like him to be quiet on anything that makes whites in general uncomfortable. 

You just want him to be a racist...and until he says something to confirm that he's "on your side", you seem determined to push this narrative that he's being silenced.

You obviously don't know Cam. He's not a racist. Sorry if that upsets you so much(but not really).

 

The same goes for AceBoogie