Cam Newton Is Just A Football Player

[AceBoogie]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not really.

The notion that Cam Newton is making it harder for other black people is kind of silly.

Because you're black and you would know right? 

[whatever]

You don't have to be black to know that some people never pass up the chance to play the victim.

[whatever]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Don't you know? Colin's stance lacks substance because the majority of whites say so. 

And Cam's a sellout because most of the blacks on this forum say so?

[whatever]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Cam has every right to be himself, but as a black man in America, I have a right to call "bullshit" when someone suggests that this nation is beyond racism, or that it no longer exists.  It's basically an outright lie at worst, and ignorance at best to espouse such foolishness.  

If not outright arrogant, it is certainly presumptuous for someone who is not African-American to characterize something as "silly" that so many African-Americans believe because of a shared struggle by blacks to overcome racism in this country. 

How about if someone tells you that blacks seem to be way more racist than whites these days. Care to call BS on that?

[truthjuice]

1 minute ago, whatever said:

And Cam's a sellout because most of the blacks on this forum say so?

We didn't call him a sellout. All we said was that no matter what position he takes on the matter, he has to watch what he says. That's not a sell out. Even with all of this, I think Cam is still the same Cam he's always been. He just made a very stupid, shameful remark that caused the backlash. It's not his position on this, it's that statement snd it doesn't matter whether he meant it or not. I do not think he's a sellout. For the umpteenth time, I think both movements (ALM & BLM) are very necessary. That statement is what your mama always told you, "think before you speak."

[whatever]

That's not true. Telling someone to shut up unless they have the same view that you have is basically the same as saying that they are a sellout. You didn't say exactly those words. but AceBoogie and a couple of others did.

It's disappointing to see that some Panther fans actually see Kaepernick as some kind of freaking hero and Cam is somehow a bad guy for saying that both sides share accountability in all of this.

[Saca312]

To say there's no racism is like saying the world is flat. It's plainly obvious there exists the trash in society that engage in racist acts for no beneficial reason. Such is the case of the real-world. People will continue being racist and ignorant because it's a perceived notion that one must elevate oneself above another human of equal status. Racism is one way of generating pride and status among oneself, no matter how twisted such is.

 

However, understand racism has dramatically declined over the last few years. Compare high schools nowadays to ones in the 60s and 70s. One would deduce that a cultural aspect has been altered between the two areas of time, as cultural diversity is encouraged and shared. Racism is no where near the dark ages of the jim crow era, and blacks, asians, whites, arabs, jew, etc., they're all in a more diverse culture of acceptance, minus the 9/11 scare period.

 

It's a common theme in history to acknowledge how racism has shaped the very fabric of detestable American history, but to say we have not grown and matured from our mistakes is reputable. 

 

I personally believe this notion of "blacks being persecuted" everytime a police officer uses a deadly weapon is overexaggerated at times due to the common use of social media and mass media. Do I believe there are plenty of instances where the cop was clearly at fault? Absolutely. Do I believe it's always the cop's fault for feeling endangered and feeling the need to use a weapon? Absolutely not. 

If race were taken out of the equation, riots wouldn't occur. Those who say only the blacks receive such dire punishment are naive of the fact that such circumstances could happen to anyone, regardless of race. I'd even claim there have been cases where an innocent white guy has been shot down in even worse circumstances, where he may have not even been armed and was compliant the whole way, but the media overlooks such facts.

 

I agree wholely on Cam with the issue. It's not about blacks being persecuted. America has passed that. Why else would there be so many successful blacks in every aspect of society, and why has the majority of society shifted to cultural acceptance? Race should never be even considered now when talking about justice and how relations are handled. 

The issue here is not about the color of skin of the victim. It's about whether justice was served or not. Did the officer use excessive force for no reason, or was it justified? Was the victim compliant, or showed agressiveness to obey orders? It's idiotic to try and make race the main topic of any criminal investigation, as that means nothing in the outcome and the actions that occurred. I'm a firm believer that everyone is equal, and that no one race is better than the other. The real issue is how we treat each other, as human beings, and how we can help take race out of the equation of everything.

 

That's my rant for now. Only time I'll probably say anything that comes from my beliefs or thoughts on trivial matters.

 

[truthjuice]

Cam is not the bad guy. No one is telling him to shut up. We simply said making statements like we're past racism is hurtful snd disrespectful to the community and the ones out here really fighting this struggle, especially when he himself knows that it's not true. He can go look at his mentions on Twitter and see that for himself. Telling him to not speak on issues he doesn't want to talk about (because he doesn't, he answers the questions as they come) is not calling him a sellout. Saying that if he does give an opinion, it needs to be 100% Cam isn't calling him a setout either. Cam is still a good dude by me and I know other blacks feel the same. But we can all agree he said what he said and the backlash he received is what it is. He will be okay and so will we. 

[Paa Langfart]

I wish the mods would move all these stupid political circle jerks to the tinderbox.  I really dont come here to be brought down and that is what its been all week practically.

[whatever]

Is anyone upset about the black male that lost his life to another black male(that witnesses tried to claim was white) at the "protest", or are we just reserving that anger for the black cop(that was supposed to be a white cop)according to a few witnesses?

 

And it's the cops that we're not supposed to be able to trust?

[shulasmyhero]

10 hours ago, truthjuice said:

Cam is a black man, before he's anything. Here's the problem: the organization pulling strings and deciding for him to not be involved in these talks but when he's asked, he can't give a true Cam answer because the organization has decided for him that he will not get too involved in this. I'm aware he doesn't bring race up in relation to his career, but he's a black man who has children and a family. I'm very sure he has a strong opinion on what is happening, as he mentioned it the other day. He is in a lose-lose situation but if the organization cared or was Team Cam, they wouldn't have decided for him. Because that has caused a mess within itself. I can't imagine being him right now. Conflicted at every angle. 

Actually he's a human being before anything.  Humans are flawed.  We are supposed to ignore what he actually says and take it on your interpretation that he's being "handled", because that makes you more comfortable...

[top dawg]

23 minutes ago, whatever said:

And Cam's a sellout because most of the blacks on this forum say so?

I haven't seen that term used in regards to Cam here anywhere. It's not like he's Larry Elder or Clarence Thomas.

[Mr. Scot]

50 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Because you're black and you would know right? 

True. I'm white.

I guess I should be complaining about how Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan and Andrew Luck are negatively affecting my life because they don't speak out on the issues I find important.

Or maybe since I got off work early I could just log off of here and spend time with my wife, kids and the ridiculous number of pets my family has acquired.

Yeah...Think I'll do that instead.

[PhillyB]

mr scot your ass is out. stop pontificating with your down home common-sensey insulated perspective and listen for two god damn seconds what people are saying about their personal experiences. it takes a staggering level of arrogance and frankly a shitty rotten heart to listen to people sharing the very real, quantitative and qualitatively verifiable experiences that have shaped them and tell them they're fools simply because (1) you didn't personally have that experience, and (2) because you utterly lack the ability to step outside your own frame of reference and empathize with someone else's.

i know you won't, but please stop talking. you are embarrassing yourself and even worse you are doing damage.