Cam Newton Is Just A Football Player

[Mojo]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

How many times have people fought back against someone telling Cam he needed to be like they thought he should be instead of who he is?

How is this any different?

Just because it's coming from a different group? Uh uh. Not good enough.

Newton's done a lot of real good for a lot of people, and much of it in private. But now suddenly he's not doing as much as a guy who takes a knee on national TV during a song.

The whole notion is just silly.

You literally addressed nothing I said and passed the buck by asking questions.  

Uh Uh, not good enough.

 

[pstall]

You missed the key word observation.  Has nothing to do with me knowing what's it lije to be black.  There's a myriad of observations of every group of people. 

Cam is at place most if not all politicians are at. Another observation here but when he speaks, half the audience may love him and the other hate him. Depending on the subject matter.

I thought what Doug Baldwin did was hands down the best move effective way to go about this. Imo. Again. Just an observation. 

[truthjuice]

If you are not a black male or female, you will never understand the struggles and pressures. There was a mention of whitening your name just to get a job. That is real. My son can't go outside in a hoodie because someone feels thretened. I can't walk into a store without being followed. If I get pulled over by the police, I'm not sure if I'm gonna live or die reaching for my drivers license and registration because as I went into my purse, I pulled out my eyeglass case and they mistook it for a gun. This is real. People like Cam who happens to be the guy from around the way has a voice. He can be all lives matter and be neutral if he so pleases. He can be peace and love if he wants to. I think both movements are needed. But what he can't do is make aimless statements like "we're past racism as a nation" when he knows for a fact we're not. To be honest, I don't even think he meant that or that it came out right but he said. That was a slap in the face to many. The level of disrespect is so real up in here. 

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

Lol, didn't imply that and you know that. Only reason I equated the two to MLK vs Malcolm is Cam (MLK) is the approach that most people like yourself likes, and Colin (Malcolm) is the approach that you dislike. Both Cam and Colin are there own men, but I was equating the twos approaches to MLK and Malcolm. 

Anyways, you just glossed right over what I said about Colin. You implied that Colin's stance lacked substance. How do you know this? 

Don't you know? Colin's stance lacks substance because the majority of whites say so. 

[Mr. Scot]

The prevailing argument of this thread:

"Other people telling Cam Newton that he has to be or act a certain way to fit their expectations is wrong!"

"It's okay if I do it, though."

The position some folks are trying to force Newton into is patently unfair to him.

Novel idea: How about we let him just be himself?

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The prevailing argument of this thread:

"Other people telling Cam Newton that he has to be or act a certain way to fit their expectations is wrong!"

"It's okay if I do it, though."

The position some folks are trying to force Newton into is patently unfair to him.

Novel idea: How about we let him just be himself?

Cam has every right to be himself, but as a black man in America, I have a right to call "bullshit" when someone suggests that this nation is beyond racism, or that it no longer exists.  It's basically an outright lie at worst, and ignorance at best to espouse such foolishness.  

If not outright arrogant, it is certainly presumptuous for someone who is not African-American to characterize something as "silly" that so many African-Americans believe because of a shared struggle by blacks to overcome racism in this country. 

[truthjuice]

Cam is grown and can have any position he wants. The deal is, making statements like "we are past racism" is unfair and disrespectful. I don't think Cam believed what he said. A lot of the frustration in the black community with him right now is over that statement. People wouldn't care as much for him being ALM. That's an easier blow to take and like I said, both movements are needed. But that statement, whether he meant it or not, should not have come out of his mouth. He can do whatever he wants to do, he's grown. He also should be careful what he says. That's all. 

[pstall]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Cam has every right to be himself, but as a black man in America, I have a right to call "bullshit" when someone suggests that this nation is beyond racism, or that it no longer exists.  It's basically an outright lie at worst, and ignorance at best to espouse such foolishness.  

If not outright arrogant, it is certainly presumptuous for someone who is not African-American to characterize something as "silly" that so many African-American's believe because of a shared struggle by blacks to overcome racism in this country. 

I agree.  Nonexistent and improving on something are very far apart.  Especially for anyone who has gone thru racism. Now Cam could say hey i may not have experienced racism and for him it could be true. But to say it doesn't exist no that's not accurate.  Sure this may have improved but lots of chemo is still needed to get rid of the cancer and avoid remission. 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, pstall said:

I agree.  Nonexistent and improving on something are very far apart.  Especially for anyone who has gone thru racism. Now Cam could say hey i may not have experienced racism and for him it could be true. But to say it doesn't exist no that's not accurate.  Sure this may have improved but lots of chemo is still needed to get rid of the cancer and avoid remission. 

I've read the article, and I never took it as Newton suggesting that racism doesn't exist. I took it as him not agreeing that any criticism against him was automatically racial.

Poorly worded? Perhaps, but that doesn't make it insincere.

I used to have a girlfriend who would misinterpret something I said and get mad at me. I'd explain to her that wasn't what I meant, but an hour later we'd still be arguing over what she thought I meant.

Needless to say, we're no longer together.

(It'd likely piss my wife off if we were)

I'm having flashbacks to those days while reading this thread, only this time it's not me on the receiving end. It's Newton.

People can keep blaming Cam for what they think he said, or they can look back at the mature, reasoned response he gave here recently.

If you have problems with what he said the other day, i can't help you.

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've read the article, and I never took it as Newton suggesting that racism doesn't exist. I took it as him not agreeing that any criticism against him was automatically racial.

Poorly worded? Perhaps, but that doesn't make it insincere.

I used to have a girlfriend who would misinterpret something I said and get mad at me. I'd explain to her that wasn't what I meant, but an hour later we'd still be arguing over what she thought I meant.

Needless to say, we're no longer together.

(It'd likely piss my wife off if we were)

I'm having flashbacks to those days while reading this thread, only this time it's not me on the receiving end. It's Newton.

People can keep blaming Cam for what they think he said, or they can look back at the mature, reasoned response he gave here recently.

If you have problems with what he said the other day, i can't help you.

I'm pretty sure most people here are referring to Cam's initial statements when asked about Kaepernick.  That's when he received most of his criticism.

[Kevin Greene]

9 hours ago, beastson said:

 

So my personal opinion is on Sunday, I think Cam Newton should be in the locker room during the National Anthem. I think the organization from Jerry, Dave, Ron should make it clear they made the decision to not involve Cam Newton in a touchy subject right now and it goes back to when I said Cam is on the front line left to hang dry. At times he should be shielded off. My personal opinion

I've thought about this. I think every Panther player and Coach should walk to the stands and take the hand of a fan in the stands to show solidarity during the National Anthem.

Turn all this into a Positive.

[jcinhere]

Cam is a human being before anything else

[shreddingdefense]

I'm white but i can see how, "We are beyond racism" can be considered offensive.  I chalk it up to just being naive and trying get onto a better question.  

As far as his recent press conference. I think he handled it perfectly. Some say he is stranding the fence and others may add to protect his brand. But honestly i see that as Cam being truthful to himself. He really does wish everyone could get along. That people would be accountable for their actions and that his own community wouldn't make any rash movements.   When it comes to gang violence, if one of their own is gone, they will intentionally look for a cop to take it out on.

We all can agree can agree a innocent person getting shot for no reason is a travesty. But there are people out in this word that want to add another extra layer. 

Instead of wondering what we can do as a society/goverment/and police force so something like this never happens again We gotta have people add layers of a story that most like isn't there. Was the cop white? Was the victim black? omg racism.That should be lower on the list.. Someone lost their life and family is paying for it emotionally. Yes, racism exist. Not only a social issue for blacks, racism is found everywhere and aimed at anyone. Sucks. 2000 plus years and stil no signs of humans getting a clue. We may have the smartest brain in the animal kingdom but we act like the biggest idiots in existence 

 

[ickmule]

Honestly, I think Cam is smart enough to know that whatever he was to say would be viewed badly by one side or the other. I'd bet it's likely he has chosen to say what he said on his own. Who needs the backlash ? Certainly not a guy that is clean cut and successful as hell who is trying to raise a family.