Kawaan Short

[RealBitsOfPanther]

Too early in the season. Come back to me when It's December the defense is flying around. 

[Adb6368]

22 hours ago, stbugs said:

If he wants Cox/Miller $$$, he shouldn't need help. There were multiple plays against Denver where he got handled by 1 OL. He's shown the ability to disrupt on a couple plays, but also gotten blocked out of plays by 1 player. Last year, he was a monster in some games, taking over the entire game and being disruptive almost every play. Sorry, but he hasn't been close to that yet. I hope he comes around, but he is certainly not playing to Cox's level so far.

I don't think you can expect a DL to disrupt the entire game. The little I watched last night I saw Cox standing on the sideline looking gassed. It's about standing your ground on every play and never being pushed out of the play. And, from what I've seen so far, I don't recall a time when Short was literally pushed out of a play. I think he has a lot more going against him this year since he's not surprising teams anymore. But, in all honesty, I don't think 2 games is enough to determine one way or the other. Here's to hoping our DL get's back to the beast it should be.

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Productive, yes, worth top 5 DT money at 35? Jared Allen is a good example. He halved his production at 32 and at 33 he was just OK with us. At 30 and 31, he was still solid with 11+ sacks each season, but he dropped off a cliff at 32 and then hit bottom at 33. I'd use Soliai as an example of a guy who dropped off at 32 and is a backup at 33, but while he made 1 pro-bowl, he's not anywhere near Short's level. Sapp is the only sack heavy DT I can think of that is retired, all the good ones are currently playing and not over 30. Sapp was clearly not the dominant guy from 31-35. He had one great season at 34, but the other four years were his worst sack totals outside of his rookie year. He was not the same guy from 31-35 in Oakland except 1 year as he was in Tampa. He would have been worth top 5 DT money 20% of his 30+ years.

He may get Cox money and I know he had a slow start to 2015, but he is taking a big risk to get the extra couple million a year.

Soliai as you say is no where near Shorts level so lets not even compare apples to oranges.  Lets look at Sapp.  He is a Hall of Famer  and in 13 years he had double digit saks 4 of them.  So did that mean he was only good 4 of those years or maybe just maybe sacks is only one measure of a DT's ability.  How many of those years do you think he got double teamed on just about every play.  Maybe his sacks are a function of who was around him to draw attention and not a measure of his ability.  Look at Short this year, if his sack total goes down to 6 or 7 does that mean he dropped off or does that mean he has DEs who dont demand being doubled so they focus on stopping Short.  So at 34 did Sapp suddenly rejuvenate and get better or maybe there are other factors which limited him the other years such as injuries or other personnel around him. 

 

Do I think that he should have taken the 15 million we offered on a long term deal. Absolutely.  Just the difference between what he will make this year and what he could have done with a 25 million signing bonus sitting in the bank would have made up the difference between the contracts.  But that isnt the issue you started or I responded to.  I simply said you are naive to assume he wont get paid Cox type money.  And in 2018 if we franchise him in 2017 he wont get a 6 year contract, more like 3 or 4 at most.  Because he essentially wasted this one playing for peanuts.

[Peppers90 NC]

Is he seeing more double teams? I know Denver was 3 step drops and pass. Hard to generate much pass rush with that. 

[panthers55]

29 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Is he seeing more double teams? I know Denver was 3 step drops and pass. Hard to generate much pass rush with that. 

Dont know really but if you were blocking our defensive line who would you focus on stopping?