Dean Blandino is an IDIOT!

[OBXPantha]

This is a mindset.  The older coaches and I'm sure some NFL reps do not like running QB's. They think its cheating when you have anything other than a statue in the pocket.   Brandon Marshall said "you can't run your QB that way".  I think he was repeating something he probably heard from his coach many times that week. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Like I argued elsewhere, we needed to answer it on the field THAT NIGHT.  Whether that means sending a message by cheapshotting their QB in the same manner, or going for one of the offenders knees, or taking a really late shot out of bounds, it had to be done.  Once the retaliation occurs on field in front of millions of people, it officially makes it an unavoidable issue.  Whereas, after the game, you've seen what happens - they can ignore what they want, pick over what they want to discuss, and thus, reshape the narrative.

This was two games in a row that we chose to be the "bigger" team and not stoop to their level, and they have 2 wins as a result.  People can say all day they'd never wish injury on another player, but they were legitimately trying to permanently injure our best player, and our guys did nothing to retaliate.  They didnt even push a guy after the play...  that's the part that bothers me the most.

I kind of view it like bullying.  If a kid gets bullied, say he is taunted, pushed, and punched in front of a crowd, and he walks away, everyone tells him he did the right thing and was the bigger person.  But sometimes you need to bust that bully's ass in front of a crowd to make a point.  Sometimes authority figures wont act because the bully is "just being his usual self," and they enable it until it becomes a bigger issue.

Had we served the consequences out on the field immediately, it would have forced the NFL to acknowledge what the Broncos were doing, so as to not allow the situation to "get out of hand."  Instead, by being the bigger team, only we suffered.  That may have its place and time to be admired, but after losing the Niners playoff game in '13, the Superbowl, and the season opener due to being the victim of the bully, I have had enough of it and hope we respond differently next time.

More likely it would have given them an excuse to punish us instead, or go even lighter on the Broncos.  Plus you wouldn't have had the barrage of sports talk this week about the Broncos being dirty or the league failing Newton.

If the league doesn't want to acknowledge that the Broncos are dirty (or acknowledge that their officials aren't very good) dirty play on our part isn't going to force them to do so.  All that's gonna do is backfire against us.

As has been mentioned, we're already one of the more physical teams in the league, but we do it without crossing the line into being dirty.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, OBXPantha said:

This is a mindset.  The older coaches and I'm sure some NFL reps do not like running QB's. They think its cheating when you have anything other than a statue in the pocket.   Brandon Marshall said "you can't run your QB that way".  I think he was repeating something he probably heard from his coach many times that week. 

The irony of this is mind-boggling if you remember how Elway played.

[OBXPantha]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The irony of this is mind-boggling if you remember how Elway played.

It is ironic.  Maybe its because Elway didn't dab when he ran one in?  Lol.

[Sasquatch]

A little more fuel for this fire.

Roughing the passer was called 7 times during week 1,  6 of which were enforced (call on Denver not enforced). Of the 6 enforced, 5 were to the benefit of the home team. Obviously, you could argue that the way everything transpired during our game, there was benefit to the home team. The only visiting team to benefit from a roughing penalty? 

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Just saying. N o conspiracy theory intended.

[Norway]

What a joke. I mean, really!!?

[Proudiddy]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

More likely it would have given them an excuse to punish us instead, or go even lighter on the Broncos.  Plus you wouldn't have had the barrage of sports talk this week about the Broncos being dirty or the league failing Newton.

If the league doesn't want to acknowledge that the Broncos are dirty (or acknowledge that their officials aren't very good) dirty play on our part isn't going to force them to do so.  All that's gonna do is backfire against us.

As has been mentioned, we're already one of the more physical teams in the league, but we do it without crossing the line into being dirty.

You raise some valid points about the discussion that has taken place nationally after the game as a result of allowing Cam to endure those horrific hits, but is it worth it?  4 or 5 illegal hits to our QB's head and a loss for the sake of discussion?  Or answer it on the field after the first hit so there aren't 3 or 4 more illegal hits putting our QB at further risk?  That isn't even taking into account how no one has "repaid" Talib for intentionally almost breaking Philly's neck in the Superbowl last year...

Again, I get what you're saying Scot, and i like the ideals our franchise embodies, but all is fair in love and war, and football is as close to war as sports get.  If a man is trying to injure you, you try to injure them.

To kind of illustrate my point...  remember how I said we needed a fiery guy like JNo out there Thursday?  A guy that plays to the line?  If we go back to the OBJ fiasco, why did the NFL act?  It's my opinion because we stood up for ourselves in the game and the spotlight became white hot.  Josh fought back in game.  He tooks some licks, but he gave some back, WITHOUT losing complete control.  It forced the refs to intervene during the game and threaten to throw out the next guy who was excessive or took a cheap shot.  Then after the game, OBJ got punished because he lost control when we fought back...

If Denver had played out similarly, at the very least, it would have stopped the head shots on Cam, and at best would have forced the officials to call things evenly and resulted in ejections and/or suspensions.

[beastson]

About time for JR to make that call

[CKI]

I think the only way we really know what the effects of all this will be on the panthers will be to wait and see how things are officiated going forward.

The league was never going to admit they were wrong publicly, but maybe behind closed doors they address this and officiate against Cam a little better.

What they say publicly isn't necessarily what they are telling their officials secretly.


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[tiger7_88]

If I wasn't such a peace-loving man, I'd hope that Dean Blandino DIAFF.

His statement explaining the whole thing about a "running posture" is a travesty.  Because he KNOWS from the tape that for the hits that Cam took in that game, Cam WAS NOT IN A RUNNING POSTURE.  He was frigging PASSING.

He is a disgusting human being.  And, along with Roger Goodell, he also doesn't GAF about player safety.

[Pox 08]

7 hours ago, beastson said:

About time for JR to make that call

ring ring.

NFL:  Hello.

Big Cat:  Hi there boys.

NFL: What can we do for you Mr. Richardson?

Big Cat:  I'd like to have the shield painted on both of my endzones as well.    Instead of the Panthers name/logos. 

[CRA]

8 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

 

 

Like I argued elsewhere, we needed to answer it on the field THAT NIGHT.  Whether that means sending a message by cheapshotting their QB in the same manner, or going for one of the offenders knees, or taking a really late shot out of bounds, it had to be done.  Once the retaliation occurs on field in front of millions of people, it officially makes it an unavoidable issue.  Whereas, after the game, you've seen what happens - they can ignore what they want, pick over what they want to discuss, and thus, reshape the narrative.

This was two games in a row that we chose to be the "bigger" team and not stoop to their level, and they have 2 wins as a result.  People can say all day they'd never wish injury on another player, but they were legitimately trying to permanently injure our best player, and our guys did nothing to retaliate.  They didnt even push a guy after the play...  that's the part that bothers me the most.

I kind of view it like bullying.  If a kid gets bullied, say he is taunted, pushed, and punched in front of a crowd, and he walks away, everyone tells him he did the right thing and was the bigger person.  But sometimes you need to bust that bully's ass in front of a crowd to make a point.  Sometimes authority figures wont act because the bully is "just being his usual self," and they enable it until it becomes a bigger issue.

Had we served the consequences out on the field immediately, it would have forced the NFL to acknowledge what the Broncos were doing, so as to not allow the situation to "get out of hand."  Instead, by being the bigger team, only we suffered.  That may have its place and time to be admired, but after losing the Niners playoff game in '13, the Superbowl, and the season opener due to being the victim of the bully, I have had enough of it and hope we respond differently next time.

 

In reality there was only one comparable counter in game.  Our OL isn't nasty enough. 

If you wanted to get on their level IMO the only counter would have been for the OL to start going after Von Miller.  It probably would have sent a message but also ensured we would have had an ever harder time winning the game because they would have flagged us