Why you don't pay a zone corner top corner money

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Lol, nice changeup.  The title designates him as a "zone corner," implying he can't or doesn't play man, and thus didnt deserve what he got paid.  I'd say that is putting him down, along with the two other Norman threads made tonight blaming him for a fight with teammates.  People are trying to make themselves feel better about it like we came out on the better end of the deal by letting him walk and Washington screwed the pooch by signing him.

Read the OP.

And we actually may come out on the better end when all is said and done. Way too soon to know.

Was Norman a cancer here? No. He was, however, a volatile personality that has to be calmed down on the field sometimes. That can't really be argued.

Will someone do that in DC? Unknown.

It also can't be assumed that Norman will be the same teammate in Washington that he was here. Guys change sometimes (Ricky Watters was a prime example). Heck, average people often change dynamics when they're thrown into a different mix of coworkers.

The only thing that I think can be said for certain at this point is that who "won" this whole affair isn't going to be decided in Week One, and quite probably not until the end of the season.

[Ricky Spanish]

29 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Lol, nice changeup.  The title designates him as a "zone corner," implying he can't or doesn't play man, and thus didnt deserve what he got paid.  I'd say that is putting him down, along with the two other Norman threads made tonight blaming him for a fight with teammates.  People are trying to make themselves feel better about it like we came out on the better end of the deal by letting him walk and Washington screwed the pooch by signing him.

I admit it is a poor thread title with the benefit of hindsight, but in my OP I even mentioned he played well when the ball was thrown near him. It's more a criticism against the Redskins for paying him a buttload of cash only to have him waste away covering #2/3 guys. They aren't using him right and they are spending a crap ton of money doing it. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

It does kind of make me wonder if there's good communication between the GM and the coaching staff.

Rivera and Gettleman have a great relationship and are said to talk plenty back and forth about the kind of players Ron needs to run his system.

Maybe that's not happening in DC.

[Cam's New Arm]

This will all be great.

Josh makes his $$$. gets us a high comp pick. is probably back in 3-4 seasons on a career finishing deal

[Seltzer]

Josh played exceptional on both plays I saw where he was covering Brown and had the ball thrown his way. Would have forced fumble if not complete and then in completion.

The Redskins secondary is talented. The front seven is not, especially the defensive line. 

Almost like Gettlemans philosophy of building inside out has some merit.

 

[Proudiddy]

33 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

How so? That doesn't even make sense.


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His personality.  He is a fiery guy that isn't scared to fight...  and i dont mean a football fight, lol.  Those kind of games are the ones Norman lives for.  He is an eye for an eye kind of guy, and would've matched the intensity on the defensive side.  I love our guys and Luke and TD will lay someone out, but they also are cerebral and won't push too close to that line of legality.  We needed a guy who saw what was going on and threw that issue of legality out the window.  He and Mike Mitchell are the main guys that come to mind that played that way here, and we needed that attitude Thursday.

 

FWIW, i think Shaq has a little of that edge to him, but we'll see.

[Proudiddy]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Read the OP.

And we actually may come out on the better end when all is said and done. Way too soon to know.

Was Norman a cancer here? No. He was, however, a volatile personality that has to be calmed down on the field sometimes. That can't really be argued.

Will someone do that in DC? Unknown.

It also can't be assumed that Norman will be the same teammate in Washington that he was here. Guys change sometimes (Ricky Watters was a prime example). Heck, average people often change dynamics when they're thrown into a different mix of coworkers.

The only thing that I think can be said for certain at this point is that who "won" this whole affair isn't going to be decided in Week One, and quite probably not until the end of the season.

That doesn't make anything I said untrue.  And honestly, a lot of things are still TBD, but what I am certain of is that Norman most benefitted in his role playing here and we would benefit more than any other team in having him here, nothing will convince me otherwise.  The best fit for both team and player was here, had the money been doable.  That's why i get tired of all the Norman criticism...  of course Washington will screw things up with him.  That's what they do, lol.  But, even if we saved money, we were better with him than without him, JMO.

28 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I admit it is a poor thread title with the benefit of hindsight, but in my OP I even mentioned he played well when the ball was thrown near him. It's more a criticism against the Redskins for paying him a buttload of cash only to have him waste away covering #2/3 guys. They aren't using him right and they are spending a crap ton of money doing it. 

 

And i wanted to be clear, I wasn't trying to pick on you about the title.  My complaint was more with the general habit of the majirity here to trash Norman because it made them feel better about him walking.  As I said to Scot, nothing will convince me that we are better off without him.  And idc if Washington signed Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, and Barry Sanders in their primes, they would immediately make them look like doodoo, so I dont read a lot into how players look there either.

[Thorrez]

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Brown was 0-2 with Norman covering him. He is worth his money.

The fact that Washington deceided to not put the safety Norman frees up, by covering his party of the field alone, over the top on Browns side is the real question here.

[csx]

8 hours ago, Khaki Lackey said:

How so? That doesn't even make sense.


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Pure wishful thinking and it makes zero sense. Any help he would have provided would have simply come from being a good corner. He wasn't going to run out on the field and block for Newton and he wasn't going to play dirty enough to stop them......this isn't hockey. 

[Mvp2014]

9 hours ago, Growl said:

I'm not sure you understand the comparison. Teams can scheme to generate the former two. Having a CB who does what Norman did last year is insanely rare and nullifies the way opponents attack you-the way they scheme. Its two different things and the latter is far more valuable than the former.

 

I see this thread for what it is though so I'm not going to waste time here.

You got it backwards.  Elite DE is always more valuable because you cant scheme against them.  They can impact any play run or pass.  Every GM in the NFL picks jj Watt over (insert any Cb in the NFL)

[Mr. Scot]

10 hours ago, beastson said:

Champ Bailey in Denver, Charles Woodson in Oakland, Richard Sherman in Seattle, Josh Norman in CAROLINA, all predominately plays left side of the defense. One reason is due to right handed QB's more comfortable throwing to their right

But I'll let you guys have your fun cause Norman is no longer here, it's actually really petty but I digress. He's not on our team. No reason to continue having threads about him in the Panthers section

Did you see the 2008 playoff game against the Cardinals?

[blackcat]

11 hours ago, Matthias said:

We were never going to pay Norman the money he wanted, but we could have let him play with the tag this year.  We were willing to let Hardy play with the tag when I said not to do it at the time, why did we let Norman walk?

Bc Gettleman values DE's.

[Darvinsun]

Why are some of you mad at Josh? He wanted to get paid, that's why we all work, to get paid. I would want the money too. I hate he left, but there is no reason to throw shade on this guy. There is no guarantee that the Panthers are going to the Superbowl this year..... He did right get the money while you can!

[QueensKing]

A good DC can take advantage of knowing that the offense literally cannot throw the ball to whoever he is covering.  We did it.  Safeties can cheat over to the weak side, and defensive ends are given more time since it's almost a given that the receiver isn't going to be open.

 

Norman was undervalued here if people really think he was overrated and not worth what he's being paid.  He's just as valuable as a DE, possibly even more bc they have the same effect on the money downs (sacks/fumbles vs pbu/int).  And let's not forget that he was a great tackler.  I understand that he wasn't going to get paid that here BUT, letting him go when we still had the franchise tag available was STUPID...period.  Our window for a superbowl is worth it, and I guarantee Norman's presence would have been enough to win us the game last Thurs.  He was our best defensive player some games, and was a DPOY candidate.  The dude is a baller.  Plus, we wouldn't have gone all corner happy in the draft and wasted so many picks.  I respect and appreciate Gettleman, but he's not beyond criticism and he does have an ego which time will tell could end up hurting us.  

 

Point is, Norman is a baller, he was home grown drafted talent, we had dibs and we lost him to the game, doesn't make him any less of a player, and one thing I do appreciate is someone who backs up their talk.  He did it all last year, and if his coach isn't putting him in the position to lock down the #1, then it's on the coach to take advantage of knowing where the ball is likely to go.  Coleman looked like a star last year, and our "Thieves Ave" was due to Norman being a monster and making everyone else's jobs easier.  Respeck what he did last year, and if you don't now, you will when you are reminded the hard way because I know for a fact that the entire NFC South celebrated when he left.