Oh DeAngelo....

[Floppin]

12 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Incorrect.

Refusing to pay for food or the value of food that you have consumed is not theft. It is a civil matter - not a criminal matter. A refusal must be made to a second party. This begins a negotiation that will result in an agreement. If an agreement is not reached all the patron has to do is provide their contact information if the establishment chooses to take action in civil court.

Consuming and leaving without notifying the establishment is theft. This is a criminal matter. it is referred to as 'Defrauding the Inkeeper' and is based entirely on one's intent to defraud.

Patrons also have a means to bring charges against a place of business using law enforcement through the use of 'Unfair and Deceptive Practices' (UDPTA). You can file a police report and use that report to get the FTC involved with the establishment.

It is very rare police are ever involved in these matters, and it typically happens with business owners who are trying to strong arm customers. However, when the police report is written up and filed on behalf of the establishment it can also be used against them as long as you provide the needed details for the FTC.

I recommend everyone know their rights. Everything is negotiable in business.

This isn't true and is different from state to state. If you have consumed the food in most states (the majority have specific rules and laws to protect restaurants) it is then illegal to refuse to pay - in Mississippi it's a felony to refuse to pay any tab over $25 dollars, for instance.

Most states have a set precedent that treat it criminally as fraud under the argument that you didn't ever have an intention to pay to begin with.

I've owned and managed restaurants for 15 years, I've had to file charges on this before.

[Happy Panther]

2 hours ago, Floppin said:

All you cheap ass people are the reason I routinely tip 50% or more, sometimes well over 100%. Working in any tip dependant service job will really make you realize how shitty the majority of the public is.

If you get less than 30% from me you've done something terribly wrong.

what he said

[Doyle]

I think some people can't really afford to eat out but they do anyway and then look for loopholes to save a few bucks.  

[frash.exe]

47 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

it's common knowledge that deangelo is an asshole by the way

And, by the looks of his conduct off the field, a moral balancer to boot

[usmcpanthers]

I just read that the waitress got fired for posting it on social media.

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[PhillyB]

justice served! thanks deangelo you've made society a better place 

[Cam's New Arm]

 

[Mr. Scot]

My ex-wife used to have a couple of friends who would go to restaurants, order expensive meals and then would look for something to complain to the manager about so they could get a free meal.

Always embarrassed the living s--t out of me when they pulled that stuff. I'd put extra on the tip to try and make up for it.

[Mr. Scot]

27 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

I just read that the waitress got fired for posting it on social media.

Good Lord...

I understand businesses don't want employees putting stuff on social media, but that's still not right.

[MadHatter]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

Incorrect.

Refusing to pay for food or the value of food that you have consumed is not theft. It is a civil matter - not a criminal matter. A refusal must be made to a second party. This begins a negotiation that will result in an agreement. If an agreement is not reached all the patron has to do is provide their contact information if the establishment chooses to take action in civil court.

Consuming and leaving without notifying the establishment is theft. This is a criminal matter. it is referred to as 'Defrauding the Inkeeper' and is based entirely on one's intent to defraud.

Patrons also have a means to bring charges against a place of business using law enforcement through the use of 'Unfair and Deceptive Practices' (UDPTA). You can file a police report and use that report to get the FTC involved with the establishment.

It is very rare police are ever involved in these matters, and it typically happens with business owners who are trying to strong arm customers. However, when the police report is written up and filed on behalf of the establishment it can also be used against them as long as you provide the needed details for the FTC.

I recommend everyone know their rights. Everything is negotiable in business.

You are so full of poo.  In Califirnia for instance it is petty theft. But, in Miss it us a felony.

[Udogg]

2 hours ago, Floppin said:

All you cheap ass people are the reason I routinely tip 50% or more, sometimes well over 100%. Working in any tip dependant service job will really make you realize how shitty the majority of the public is.

If you get less than 30% from me you've done something terribly wrong.

So if you don't tip bad service you are cheap? 

It's this type of enabling thats is keeping  horrible servers employed when they should be quitting because theyre tips aren't good enough or getting fired.  Just because you feel some kind of guilt for prospering doesn't mean you should reward piss poor service. 

Restaurant busy/hectic slow food I personally don't hold the server responsible, but piss poor attitude and attentiveness you do.

Just last week, went to fancy burger place, go there often. I usually tip 20%-30% for bill that usually ends up around 70 dollars before tip for me and my family.  I'm allergic to raw tomatoes but not ketchup.  Specifically stated this to waitress. She brought out burger with tomatoes. Asked her to take it back and bring me one with no tomatoes. She said Oh, I'm so sorry I'll make sure its right.  Took 15 minutes to bring me back the same exact burger with the tomatoes taken off and room temperature(still bits of tomato on the lettuce and bun).   Numerous other issues as well that were specifically pointed to her poor service.  The napkin my daughter asked for had a shoe print on it. Why the fug would I tip someone for that?  

 

 

[TheRumGone]

So how does Norman look tonight guys

[frash.exe]

6 hours ago, bLACKpANTHER said:

did you know TIPS stands for To Insure Prompt Service?

No it doesn't

[Floppin]

15 minutes ago, Udogg said:

So if you don't tip bad service you are cheap? 

It's this type of enabling thats is keeping  horrible servers employed when they should be quitting because theyre tips aren't good enough or getting fired.  Just because you feel some kind of guilt for prospering doesn't mean you should reward piss poor service. 

Restaurant busy/hectic slow food I personally don't hold the server responsible, but piss poor attitude and attentiveness you do.

Just last week, went to fancy burger place, go there often. I usually tip 20%-30% for bill that usually ends up around 70 dollars before tip for me and my family.  I'm allergic to raw tomatoes but not ketchup.  Specifically stated this to waitress. She brought out burger with tomatoes. Asked her to take it back and bring me one with no tomatoes. She said Oh, I'm so sorry I'll make sure its right.  Took 15 minutes to bring me back the same exact burger with the tomatoes taken off and room temperature(still bits of tomato on the lettuce and bun).   Numerous other issues as well that were specifically pointed to her poor service.  The napkin my daughter asked for had a shoe print on it. Why the fug would I tip someone for that?  

 

 

There are always exceptions obviously, nothing is a universal rule. The tomato thing was something you should have made a manager aware of because failures where allergies are concerned are a huge liability. Its very possible that both the kitchen and the server were at fault.

The server should clearly mark any allergy on the service ticket going through the POS then verbally tell the kitchen as well. Its still possible that the kitchen made it wrong but it's the server/food runner's job to check the order before going to the table, especially in this case. As far as it going back and coming back with the tomatoes just being pulled off, that's more than likely the expo person in the kitchen being a lazy cocksucker.

Ultimately my point is that the only real failure the server might have made potentially was not checking your burger before running it out, assuming it wasnt run by a separate runner. Does that deserve getting stiffed? 

Regardless that particular case should have been brought to a managers attention because allergies are serious liabilities in the restaurant business.

Also the comment about my tipping habits being because I have some sort of guilt from success is fuging laughable. I tip like that because I've worked in service for 17 years in some capacity all together.