Kudos to Kaepernick

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, rodeo said:

It was clear from the start Kaepernick had a valid message that nobody wanted to actually listen to and were focusing on the wrong things.

That is Kap's fault.  I think the fact he adjusted immediately he realizes it but he painted himself in a corner where he has to use he flag/anthem now.

[rodeo]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

That is Kap's fault.  I think the fact he adjusted immediately he realizes it but he painted himself in a corner where he has to use he flag/anthem now.

yeah well he's a one read and throw sorta guy, he's not the best thinker.

[rodeo]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again that is clearly his opinion about what he thinks and he is welcome to that opinion.  That right to even protest the government isnt available to the vast majority of people in the world.  It belongs to us because we have fought for that freedom and the flag is a symbol of the people not the government and the freedoms we all enjoy.  The flag has everything to do with being a symbol of that freedom and democracy and equality for all.  If that isnt available as it should be is a valid issue which needs to be addressed.  But disprespecting the flag is a poor way to do it and takes away from his message instead of reinforcing it. 

Again, he didn't disrespect the flag, he 'disrespected' the national anthem. Which became the anthem in the 1930s and isn't the best song to begin with. The national anthem isn't nearly as important in any way as the flag, and it doesn't represent the same things.

[Scrumtrilescent]

This thread was moved to the General NFL forum because its Friday and that's when we already declared all non-Panther threads would be moved to their respective forums.  If it gets rowdy, it may be moved to the Tinderbox.  

 

So no, it wasn't moved to keep it quiet.  If I wanted to do that, I'd just delete all posters that I don't like we used to do but that takes effort, it's Friday, and there would be 7 people left.

[morgan55]

36 minutes ago, ScreenPlay said:

Kaep is a real one unlike our qb trying to play both sides.

Play both sides of what?

[Kakarot]

38 minutes ago, ScreenPlay said:

Kaep is a real one unlike our qb trying to play both sides.

He's being mentioned amongst Russell Wilson and Robert Griffin. Yikes. He might as well make the full transformation and get him a soccer mom wife and dress like Russell.

 

[KillaCamNewton]

27 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

This is so true. 

 

How? Cam is a football player, not a social activist, and he knows he's in a lose-lose situation because one side is gonna be pissed with whatever answer he gives. It's amazing how people call themselves "activists" but then expect high profile athletes to speak on behalf of them

[Wundrbread33]

I incorrectly wrote "Vollmer"...when Kap spoke with Nate Boyer about adjusting to take a knee.

Should have verified before posting that.

[CRA]

25 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again that is clearly his opinion about what he thinks and he is welcome to that opinion.  That right to even protest the government isnt available to the vast majority of people in the world.  It belongs to us because we have fought for that freedom and the flag is a symbol of the people not the government and the freedoms we all enjoy.  The flag has everything to do with being a symbol of that freedom and democracy and equality for all.  If that isnt available as it should be is a valid issue which needs to be addressed.  But disprespecting the flag is a poor way to do it and takes away from his message instead of reinforcing it. 

In some countries you get put in front of a firing squad for poor posture in a meeting 

I can only imagine what they would do for sitting during a national anthem. 

[panthers55]

Just now, rodeo said:

Again, he didn't disrespect the flag, he 'disrespected' the national anthem. Which became the anthem in the 1930s and isn't the best song to begin with. The national anthem isn't nearly as important in any way as the flag, and it doesn't represent the same things.

By not saluting the flag during the national anthem he disrespected the flag as well as the National Anthem which was written during the War of 1812 and supports the military which included both white and black soldiers at Fort McHenry.  If the protest was over Francis Scott Key who reportedly owned slaves it ignores he freed his slaves and fought against slavery most of his life.  

 http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/opinions/star-spangled-banner-criticisms-opinion-clague/

 "The Star-Spangled Banner" thus honors American military heroes, black and white, without regard to race. In this respect, "The Star-Spangled Banner" is not racist.

Francis Scott Key also did more than most to protect blacks and go after slavery.

Yes you can say that we arent the home of the free but that is the ideal which should be embraced and we enjoy freedoms here that billions elsewhere dont including the right to protest.  And the author of the article actually applauds Kaepernick for bringing up the subject largely because it so esoteric without protest no one would actually be doing what I am doing which is taking the time to look up the facts about the anthem.

 

[Wundrbread33]

11 minutes ago, Scrumtrilescent said:

This thread was moved to the General NFL forum because its Friday and that's when we already declared all non-Panther threads would be moved to their respective forums.  If it gets rowdy, it may be moved to the Tinderbox.  

 

So no, it wasn't moved to keep it quiet.  If I wanted to do that, I'd just delete all posters that I don't like we used to do but that takes effort, it's Friday, and there would be 7 people left.

Thanks by the way. Sorry again. I remember the "Friday" post but it slipped my mind.

[firstdayfan]

52 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Dont know how protesting the flag furthers his cause anyway.  There are many brave black servicemen who gave their lives for that flag and this country.  He is disrespecting every soldier who has given his life to protect that flag.  That flag doesnt represent the government or specific policies which discriminate but rather freedom to express your opinion so he could act as he did.  There are many ways to show your disapproval of this country and the government but disrespecting the flag is a very poor choice in my opinion.

Gotta disagree completely with this.  That flag doesn't stand for military appreciation either, it stand for freedom, the exact freedom that Kaep is expressing.  The same rights given to him by the same constitution that 2nd Amendmenters scream about all the time.  When soldiers go over seas and fight for their country they are fighting to uphold and defend those freedoms.  One could make the argument (as many veterans have) that his protest actually highlights what the fight is all about, past, present and future.

The thing that I really dislike about this comment is the part about how the protest doesn't further his cause in any way...except that we are talking about it right now.  The validity and the idea behind the protest is part of the discussion, and the media has focused on it as well.  What is the point of protesting if not to alter people's perceptions and push for change.  IF his protest causes just one person to rethink their views then it has worked for all the right reasons (and we know that it has considering teammates have joined him.)

At first I felt like Jeremy about Kaep, that he was being stupid, but then after looking into it I realized how ignorant Jeremy and the rest of us were being.  And now I support his decision and others like him.

[Kakarot]

@Cookie Lyon Huey P Kap getting tons of love on Twitter. Haha

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, firstdayfan said:

Gotta disagree completely with this.  That flag doesn't stand for military appreciation either, it stand for freedom, the exact freedom that Kaep is expressing.  The same rights given to him by the same constitution that 2nd Amendmenters scream about all the time.  When soldiers go over seas and fight for their country they are fighting to uphold and defend those freedoms.  One could make the argument (as many veterans have) that his protest actually highlights what the fight is all about, past, present and future.

The thing that I really dislike about this comment is the part about how the protest doesn't further his cause in any way...except that we are talking about it right now.  The validity and the idea behind the protest is part of the discussion, and the media has focused on it as well.  What is the point of protesting if not to alter people's perceptions and push for change.  IF his protest causes just one person to rethink their views then it has worked for all the right reasons (and we know that it has considering teammates have joined him.)

At first I felt like Jeremy about Kaep, that he was being stupid, but then after looking into it I realized how ignorant Jeremy and the rest of us were being.  And now I support his decision and others like him.

And you have the right to disagree with me because of those freedoms and the flag. So instead of disrespecting the flag there are a hundred ways to show your disagreement while supporting the very flag that symbolizes that freedom.  I have no problem with him expressing his opinion, I just think that using the flag or the national anthem to do it, is disrespecting the very symbol that represents the right to protest. Now he is painted into a corner and cant ever salute the flag or stand for the national anthem or he is a sell out to his cause.  Pretty stupid in my opinion.