DA trade interest ?

[Davidson Deac II]

13 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

ten years younger with braylon edwards... not sure he can replicate that in minnesota.

DA is awesome... but he's not a long-term starter. he was a dropped pick away from losing the 2014 opener at the last second. i am very happy with him in our stable and i hope he stays here to step in for cam when needed, but his stock would tank outside of his current position. he knows it and that's partly why he's so content here.

He certainly isn't a long term starter, I don't think anyone is arguing that he would be.  Although I do agree with those who say he would be starting on several NFL teams right now, probably including the Vikings. 

[rmoneyg35]

It seems every year we get a trade DA thread. The value that some people on here give him is hilarious. DA is 33 years old so it's not like a team will give up a high draft pick for him. At best I could possibly see him worth a 4th round draft pick but why would we trade a good back up QB when we have a chance to go to the Super Bowl this year? Cam gets hurt then we have a experienced QB who we can still win with. If we trade him then we would have to rely on Webb who is versatile but not reliable at QB.


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[Matthias]

We can trade them back Joe Webb.  I'd take a fourth and Matt Kalil.

[Yaboychris28]

3 hours ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

Dallas Cowboys

Browns

Broncos

Texans?

Rams

Vikings

49ers

Eagles

Titans?

Titans?

No Way

[PhillyB]

6 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

He certainly isn't a long term starter, I don't think anyone is arguing that he would be.  Although I do agree with those who say he would be starting on several NFL teams right now, probably including the Vikings. 

he would absolutely start for the vikings... i just think people way overestimate his value in the league as compared to his value in our unique situation.

[The Huddler]

1 hour ago, jumpman910 said:

Not to win a superbowl.

We'd still have a chance to be good tho, just not great. And as good as our defense is its not good enough to bring a superbowl title.

We wouldnt be the vikings

[CPantherKing]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ah, the old trade DA thread...

I hate to break it to folks, but DA is the most overrated player on this forum. He's a solid backup QB, nothing more nothing less. Hell, Shaun Hill has significantly higher career averages for completion percentage, yards per game, and QB rating than DA does.  Half of this forum acts like DA would be an All Pro if he wasn't Cam's backup.

Did Shaun Hill make a pro bowl his second year in the NFL?

4 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

Who??

Here are all the teams who have better QBs than DA: Panthers, Bucs, Saints, Packers, Seahawks, Steelers, Colts, Titans, and Patriots.

DA is comparable to Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, Kirk Cousins, Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, Phillip Rivers, Alex Smith, Joe Flacco,  Andy Dalton, Blake Bortles and Ryan Tannehill. Would these teams trade for DA? No. If DA were their starter, there would be no noticeable difference in play from the QB position.

So, there are 10 QBs that DA would be am immediate improvement over. Rams and Eagles would benefit from DA only because they have rookies at QB.

The Vikings, Jets, Bills, Browns, Texans, Broncos, Cowboys, and 49ers would all immediately benefit from DA. Rex Ryan is infatuated with the Tyrod Taylor experiment, so he will ride that into the ground for another losing season. The Texans over paid for a QB that will quickly flame out, and they have to see their investment through to the end of another failed Texans offense. The Browns may not let go of their QB resurrection experiment. I could see the Vikings, Jets, Broncos, Cowboys, and 49ers offering up something for DA. Of those teams, all but the 49ers would be likley playoff contenders with DA at QB.

I know I would take DA over Kerry Collins, Chris Weinke, Rodney Peete, Jake Delhomme, and Matt Moore. DA is comparable to Beuerlein, and Cam is the only QB in Panthers history better than DA/Beuerlein.

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Did Shaun Hill make a pro bowl his second year in the NFL?

Here are all the teams who have better QBs than DA: Panthers, Bucs, Saints, Packers, Seahawks, Steelers, Colts, Titans, and Patriots.

DA is comparable to Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, Kirk Cousins, Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, Phillip Rivers, Alex Smith, Joe Flacco,  Andy Dalton, Blake Bortles and Ryan Tannehill. Would these teams trade for DA? No. If DA were their starter, there would be no noticeable difference in play from the QB position.

So, there are 10 QBs that DA would be am immediate improvement over. Rams and Eagles would benefit from DA only because they have rookies at QB.

The Vikings, Jets, Bills, Browns, Texans, Broncos, Cowboys, and 49ers would all immediately benefit from DA. Rex Ryan is infatuated with the Tyrod Taylor experiment, so he will ride that into the ground for another losing season. The Texans over paid for a QB that will quickly flame out, and they have to see their investment through to the end of another failed Texans offense. The Browns may not let go of their QB resurrection experiment. I could see the Vikings, Jets, Broncos, Cowboys, and 49ers offering up something for DA. Of those teams, all but the 49ers would be likley playoff contenders with DA at QB.

I know I would take DA over Kerry Collins, Chris Weinke, Rodney Peete, Jake Delhomme, and Matt Moore. DA is comparable to Beuerlein, and Cam is the only QB in Panthers history better than DA/Beuerlein.

Jesus. 

[jumpman910]

23 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Did Shaun Hill make a pro bowl his second year in the NFL?

Here are all the teams who have better QBs than DA: Panthers, Bucs, Saints, Packers, Seahawks, Steelers, Colts, Titans, and Patriots.

DA is comparable to Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, Kirk Cousins, Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, Phillip Rivers, Alex Smith, Joe Flacco,  Andy Dalton, Blake Bortles and Ryan Tannehill. Would these teams trade for DA? No. If DA were their starter, there would be no noticeable difference in play from the QB position.

So, there are 10 QBs that DA would be am immediate improvement over. Rams and Eagles would benefit from DA only because they have rookies at QB.

The Vikings, Jets, Bills, Browns, Texans, Broncos, Cowboys, and 49ers would all immediately benefit from DA. Rex Ryan is infatuated with the Tyrod Taylor experiment, so he will ride that into the ground for another losing season. The Texans over paid for a QB that will quickly flame out, and they have to see their investment through to the end of another failed Texans offense. The Browns may not let go of their QB resurrection experiment. I could see the Vikings, Jets, Broncos, Cowboys, and 49ers offering up something for DA. Of those teams, all but the 49ers would be likley playoff contenders with DA at QB.

I know I would take DA over Kerry Collins, Chris Weinke, Rodney Peete, Jake Delhomme, and Matt Moore. DA is comparable to Beuerlein, and Cam is the only QB in Panthers history better than DA/Beuerlein.

Man we all appreciate the wins DA has gotten us, but not even he believes he's on par or better than the qbs you've named. There's a reason DA has bounced around and only had one pro bowl season. You can't list Mariota and Jameis being better than DA but have Carr, Bortles, Dalton and Rivers below him. Actually just about every name you've listed as being comparable has had more successful seasons than DA.  

By no means am I discrediting DA but we have to have a logical approach and in the grand scheme of things he's never shown traits as consistently as some others have at moments in their careers.  There's a huge difference between quality backup and quickly starter.  

Hell even tho I think Palmer will hold the Cardinals back come playoff time, DA couldn't put up those same numbers in that system. We love DA but let's not paint him in a light that he isn't 

[stan786]

Derek Anderson has already proven he isn't a starting QB... But he is definitely too important to this team from a backup and personality standpoint to trade for what his value would be on the open market.  Its basically impossible for him to be moved right now.

[Jangler]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ah, the old trade DA thread...

I hate to break it to folks, but DA is the most overrated player on this forum. He's a solid backup QB, nothing more nothing less. Hell, Shaun Hill has significantly higher career averages for completion percentage, yards per game, and QB rating than DA does.  Half of this forum acts like DA would be an All Pro if he wasn't Cam's backup.

Okay....I think it's about knowing how important the back-up QB is and with a QB like Cam you need a good back up. Is DA a great QB? No, but he would start on at least 5 teams right now. Denver included.

[CPF4LIFE]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ah, the old trade DA thread...

I hate to break it to folks, but DA is the most overrated player on this forum. He's a solid backup QB, nothing more nothing less. Hell, Shaun Hill has significantly higher career averages for completion percentage, yards per game, and QB rating than DA does.  Half of this forum acts like DA would be an All Pro if he wasn't Cam's backup.

DA being overrated is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes this forum. Lol

[CPantherKing]

27 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

Man we all appreciate the wins DA has gotten us, but not even he believes he's on par or better than the qbs you've named. There's a reason DA has bounced around and only had one pro bowl season. You can't list Mariota and Jameis being better than DA but have Carr, Bortles, Dalton and Rivers below him. Actually just about every name you've listed as being comparable has had more successful seasons than DA.  

By no means am I discrediting DA but we have to have a logical approach and in the grand scheme of things he's never shown traits as consistently as some others have at moments in their careers.  There's a huge difference between quality backup and quickly starter.  

Hell even tho I think Palmer will hold the Cardinals back come playoff time, DA couldn't put up those same numbers in that system. We love DA but let's not paint him in a light that he isn't 

I never said he is better than the players I listed. I stated he is comparable and there would be no noticeable difference in QB play in each team's respective system.

As for success, of course a QB who gets more starts will have more success. Put DA in any of the pass heavy systems and he throws for over 4000 yards and 30 TDs while likely throwing fewer INTs than most of the QBs in the NFL.

2 minutes ago, stan786 said:

Derek Anderson has already proven he isn't a starting QB... But he is definitely too important to this team from a backup and personality standpoint to trade for what his value would be on the open market.  Its basically impossible for him to be moved right now.

When has he proven he is not a starting QB? He was a pro bowler for the Browns and led them to the playoffs. The Browns still wanted Brady Quinn during that season, and when DA was injured in the 2008 season Browns fans were elated in hopes of seeing Brady Quinn. In 2009, coming off injury and another Browns head coaching change the Browns went with Brady Quinn as the starter. Anderson filled in when Quinn struggled that season. 2010 Anderson went to the Cardinals and won the starting QB position. It ended with the blow up with the media and fall out with Whisenhunt that sent him to the bench. So, 3 seasons of football that resulted in pro bowl/playoffs, a season ending injury, and a season of off field fall out. He was never given time to develop, and he was on two of the worst teams in the NFL. Cam Newton was no different in his first 3 seasons as a starter. It typically takes 5 seasons in the NFL before the game starts to slow down for a QB.

Put DA on a team with a defense and some offensive weapons, and he will put up the wins.

[stan786]

1 minute ago, CPantherKing said:

I never said he is better than the players I listed. I stated he is comparable and there would be no noticeable difference in QB play in each team's respective system.

As for success, of course a QB who gets more starts will have more success. Put DA in any of the pass heavy systems and he throws for over 4000 yards and 30 TDs while likely throwing fewer INTs than most of the QBs in the NFL.

When has he proven he is not a starting QB? He was a pro bowler for the Browns and led them to the playoffs. The Browns still wanted Brady Quinn during that season, and when DA was injured in the 2008 season Browns fans were elated in hopes of seeing Brady Quinn. In 2009, coming off injury and another Browns head coaching change the Browns went with Brady Quinn as the starter. Anderson filled in when Quinn struggled that season. 2010 Anderson went to the Cardinals and won the starting QB position. It ended with the blow up with the media and fall out with Whisenhunt that sent him to the bench. So, 3 seasons of football that resulted in pro bowl/playoffs, a season ending injury, and a season of off field fall out. He was never given time to develop, and he was on two of the worst teams in the NFL. Cam Newton was no different in his first 3 seasons as a starter. It typically takes 5 seasons in the NFL before the game starts to slow down for a QB.

Put DA on a team with a defense and some offensive weapons, and he will put up the wins.

I don't know Cam never had a negative TD to INT ratio or less than 55% completion percentage in a season, which Anderson has done plenty.  It's been 8 seasons since Anderson went to the pro bowl, he's a lovely backup QB and I wouldn't trade him for less than a 3rd round pick but we wouldn't get more than a conditional 6th for him.