We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

[jayflip]

3 minutes ago, Xavier said:

 

35 picks eh?  The Broncos won the Superbowl and had the 130th pick in the 4th round last year (remember, there's a lot of comp picks after).  Let's pretend we win the Superbowl in 2018.

The Colts are in a really easy division and likely to win it any year in which Luck isn't injured.  But let's pretend the Jaguars catch up to them, and they're a 7-9 team.  That would translate to around the 232nd pick of the draft in the 7th round.

Best case scenario, we win the Superbowl in 2018, and Colts somehow don't make the playoffs in that terrible division next year?

We still lose over 100 slots in draft placement.  Not 35, 100.  And it's likely to be a lot more than that.  People forget how many comp picks are stashed into those late rounds.

Or we play this year, rock out and win some games. Maybe even the big one. 

Maybe we do the same next year. 

You're crying over a 2018 4th round pick. A day three pick, two years from now that would probably take 2 years to develop. 

I am bummed we gave up a 4th, but I'm not going to lose my poo and cry like a dork. 

Also, this Lee guy is pretty good. I wish we traded you to the Browns message board though. You'd fit in real well in the factory of sadness. 

[Millioso7]

Tf?! For a 4th rounder?.. Gettlemans ego sometimes smh

[Xavier]

It's ridiculous, and I dare say, almost unprecedented, for a Superbowl contender to be carrying 30+ million in cap space because they're worried about extensions years from now (that we'll still be able to afford given the rising salary cap even if we signed more guys this year).

I understand being frugal and not wasting cap space to set yourself up in the future.  30+ million is just an absurd, and given how bright I think Gettleman is, seems to point to some kind of overcompensatory personality flaw.  Gettleman seems obsessed with not letting agents get the better of him, to the point where he makes it more about his ego than the team.

If he truly didn't believe in 'windows', and didn't want to focus on being good this year, why panic and trade for this punter?  Why not wait and around and see who might get cut?  I think he does believe in windows (it'd be dumb not to), but doesn't want to admit he let his emotions get the best of him with the Josh Norman situation.

I think a team like the Panthers who is essentially missing 30 million dollars in possible players, is unlikely to have the depth to win a Superbowl even with Cam Newton.  We need better tackles, better defensive ends, a better secondary, and another tight end given our style of offense.

We could have had them too, but Gettleman has handled this offseason in a very peculiar manner for a team that was so close to winning a Superbowl last year.  I can't remember another team in this position being this far under the salary cap.

[Daddy_Uncle]

1 minute ago, Millioso7 said:

Tf?! For a 4th rounder?.. Gettlemans ego sometimes smh

Proven probowl punter for now > future back up that may never become worth a damn. When you are a great organization 4th rounders dont mean poo. Hell even our past few first rounders have been backups because we are loaded depth wise. Gettleman > you

[Castavar]

His shtick is too damn obvious tbh. How does it just so happen that the only person pieing Xavier is CPantherKing? Lol

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

My Browns fan friends are telling me this dude is really good he was just in Jasckson's doghouse. 

4th feels like a lot but I'm never one to pretend to know all of GMan's moves because they are always more complex than just what's on the surface. I'll leave that to you guys. 

What I do know is a 4th is a small price to pay for good field position. You give our D good field position and no one's scoring. We weren't going to have that with any punter we tried out before this move...

Also after this season we're likely to lose A.J. Klein because he's likely to sign with another team to (1) start and (2) make starters money.

After doing so, we're likely to get compensation for his signing of around, say, a 4th round pick in the...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2018 NFL Draft.

Man, its almost as if David Gettleman knows what the fug he is doing.

[Daddy_Uncle]

Teams really get themselves in trouble when they under value having a good punter. Field position is one of the most important things in the nfl. Especially when you have a good defense

[Castavar]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Also after this season we're likely to lose A.J. Klein because he's likely to sign with another team to (1) start and (2) make starters money.

After doing so, we're likely to get compensation for his signing of around, say, a 4th round pick in the...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2018 NFL Draft.

Man, its almost as if David Gettleman knows what the fug he is doing.

/thread

[CPantherKing]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney "chose" to draft Jimmy Clausen, Amini Silatolu (over Corey Glenn, mind you), Dwayne Jarrett, Eric Shelton, Sione Fua, Joe Adams, Charles Godfrey (whom he re-upped to a cap-eating contract),  Brandon Hogan, Bruce Nelson, Eric Norwood, traded away a first round pick for Everette Brown and - everyone's favorite - traded away the top pick of the second round for Armanti Edwards.

All of this was in addition to blowing our salary cap to hell re-signing the core players of a mediocre (at best) team.

Care to "own" that?

I have never stated Hurney has not missed on picks. I have stated Hurney gave the Panthers their current foundation that the Panthers succeeded with in 2013 and 2015. I have stated the facts of Hurney's players being the most accomplished in the league currently, and they continue to rise to the top. There will be a day when Hurney will be supplanted, and hopefully it will be Gettleman. However, the way Gettleman uses the draft that is not a likely possibility.

Hurney maximized the draft, which allowed him more room for error. Gettleman minimizes the draft, which means he has little to no error. A GM who chooses 10 players a year in the draft can miss on half of them and still field a very strong team. A GM who chooses 5 players a year in the draft can not miss a single one to stay even with the other GM.

Gettleman leaves himself no room for error. So, those errors are magnified when he messes up in the off season on a P, OT, RB, CB, S, WR, TE, or DE and has to scramble in the season to correct it by paying more and leveraging the future. Hurney made his errors over 11 seasons while allowing himself room for error. Gettleman is currently racking up the errors at a greater pace with no room for error while being given a substantial crutch from Hurney to lean on while he makes those errors.

Hurney also built the foundation for 2 eras of Panthers football. Once Gettleman finished widdling away at that foundation, he will be given his chance to build a foundation. He should have no problem as he just needs to concentrate on developing players that can step in to replace Cam, Luke, TD, Kalil, Stewart, Olsen, Tolbert, and CJ.

Gettleman has found Star, KK, and Trai. He has also had 4 off season to find players to step in for the key players when they go down. In those 4 years, he has been unable to find a C, QB, RB, OT, FB, DE, MLB, or CB to fill in for key players with little to no drop off. The WR position is still up in the air (as it has been for 3 off seasons now), but there is definite potential with KB and Funchess. If they fail to realize their potential and catch more than 60% of their targets, that will be a huge blow for the future. The Panthers have always had strong WRs until Gettleman.

Just own Gettleman's failures and stop crediting him with Hurney's success. All you do is deflect to the mistakes Hurney made over 11 years.

[ctrcat]

3 minutes ago, Xavier said:

It's ridiculous, and I dare say, almost unprecedented, for a Superbowl contender to be carrying 30+ million in cap space because they're worried about extensions years from now (that we'll still be able to afford given the rising salary cap even if we signed more guys this year).

I understand being frugal and not wasting cap space to set yourself up in the future.  30+ million is just an absurd, and given how bright I think Gettleman is, seems to point to some kind of overcompensatory personality flaw.  Gettleman seems obsessed with not letting agents get the better of him, to the point where he makes it more about his ego than the team.

If he truly didn't believe in 'windows', and didn't want to focus on being good this year, why panic and trade for this punter?  Why not wait and around and see who might get cut?  I think he does believe in windows (it'd be dumb not to), but doesn't want to admit he let his emotions get the best of him with the Josh Norman situation.

I think a team like the Panthers who is essentially missing 30 million dollars in possible players, is unlikely to have the depth to win a Superbowl even with Cam Newton.  We need better tackles, better defensive ends, a better secondary, and another tight end given our style of offense.

We could have had them too, but Gettleman has handled this offseason in a very peculiar manner for a team that was so close to winning a Superbowl last year.  I can't remember another team in this position being this far under the salary cap.

The trade deadline is Nov 1.  Free agents (including the top one for cheap) are still out there.  The possibility KK extends and makes a large chunk of that now to help in future years is still possible.  A moderate amount of rollover is fine too.  If we truly have $30 million either wasted or rolled over then I'd agree.  But way too soon to say for sure.

[therealmjl]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Also after this season we're likely to lose A.J. Klein because he's likely to sign with another team to (1) start and (2) make starters money.

After doing so, we're likely to get compensation for his signing of around, say, a 4th round pick in the...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2018 NFL Draft.

Man, its almost as if David Gettleman knows what the fug he is doing.

Exactly this. There really is nothing left to be said. Xavier/CPantherKing is a sad, sad individual.

[KB_fan]

38 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Don't recall mentioning Nortman and yes Lee is better than Nortman but that doesn't mean P couldn't have been addressed in the draft, UDFA or FA more adequately after Nortman left. Could this work out well? Absolutely it could but it honestly should have never gotten to this point.

I think by signing Scifres, Gettleman thought he was adequately addressing the problem, at least for 2016.  Perhaps we didn't do enough to verify he was ready to come back from surgery, but his injury last week is not something Gettleman could have foreseen.

But letting Nortman walk and trying Waters, Palardy & Scifres is not a failure by Gettleman.  Just a shame none of those guys, especially Scifres, proved to be the answer.  Sometimes that happens.  Gettleman took a chance and he lost.  I think most of us were ok with the decision to let Norman go.... turns out it may not have been the best.

Most of assumed an average - decent punter is easy to find, but  it wasn't so easy, especially as we are clearly trying to upgrade our special teams and weren't willing to settle for a rookie like Redfern or another newbie.  Want CONSISTENCY.  That comes at a price.

[Floppin]

I'd just like to remind everyone that if Hurney had actually got his way we wouldn't have even had the 11st pick which he used on Cam. Everyone seems to like to ignore the fact that Hurney tried and failed to trade that years 1st to jump  back into the first to pick fuging Clausen and no one would bite. Hurney lucked into not letting his own stupidity make us even worse.

[CPantherKing]

5 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Also after this season we're likely to lose A.J. Klein because he's likely to sign with another team to (1) start and (2) make starters money.

After doing so, we're likely to get compensation for his signing of around, say, a 4th round pick in the...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2018 NFL Draft.

Man, its almost as if David Gettleman knows what the fug he is doing.

You did not take into account that Klein will not bring a compensatory pick since he does not get the required playing time necessary to qualify his value high enough to take one of the 32 comp picks. They do not just hand comp picks out. They only go to the 32 top producing free agents who were primary producers for their previous team.

Gettleman has not played the comp pick system well for the past 4 off seasons. What makes you think he has figured it out? All he wants is to draft 5 players per season. The GMs that win in the off season leverage the comp picks for 9+ picks in the draft each season.