We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Gentlemen also hasn't been here as long as Hurney....Hurney's real flaws came to light after he had been here a half decade.   At one point, Hurney was basically viewed as Gettlemen is now....

so the Gettlemen/Hurney banter simply favors Gettlemen as he is still so young here vs Hurney.  Gentlemen is just now getting into the part of his era where Hurney imploded 

So far, Gettleman's track record has been the most controversial, yet the most successful so far. Do not undermine Gettleman and what he's done for the organization in terms of contracts, draft picks, and building the building around Cam Newton and Luke.

Hurney would not have been able to get a deal with Cam or Luke or get out of the cap trouble the team was in. Plenty of worthless vets would be getting big cash by now, with our foundation in Cam or Luke going out the door real soon. He wouldn't have had the guts to make any risky decision, and would let personal emotion get in the way of negotiation.

Sure, Hurney laid the foundation in Luke and Cam, but a building isn't a building without the actual beams and support. Hurney would not have been able to handle the contracts, and we'd have lost half our core by now, with either Luke or Cam sent packing.

Gettleman has been rock solid and put an iron fist down on his tenure here. He has turned a 2-14 team to a contender for years to come. He's been able to successfully get the Panthers out of cap hell, and have plenty of cap room for future contracts with our core. He's shown success in drafting in nearly EVERY round. Hurney was decent, but not as good as Gettleman.

Gettleman has proven that he is much more fit at managing contracts than Hurney. He has also proven he has made moves that have helped the team grow. He has shown to be one of the best at drafting, nailing plenty of his picks. Don't be surprised if we have one of the best secondary's in the NFL in the upcoming years.

Gettleman has moved the team forward, while Hurney moved it backwards. There's a reason why Panther fans are optimistic about Gettleman, because his actions prove he's worthy of the GM chair.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Believe it or not there are many other people who do not agree with your Gettleman is God club of bullies.

Oh, Gettleman isn't God, but he certainly makes way fewer people use God's name in vain than Hurney did.

And a troll complaining about "bullies" is pretty funny, especially a troll so pathetic he has to create an alt for support.

Get a life, dude.

[ctrcat]

27 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Don't recall mentioning Nortman and yes Lee is better than Nortman but that doesn't mean P couldn't have been addressed in the draft, UDFA or FA more adequately after Nortman left. Could this work out well? Absolutely it could but it honestly should have never gotten to this point.

No punter was available worth keeping in UDFA, FA, or the draft.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

We picked up one of the best putters in the league

How's he do on the long distance shots?

[CPF4LIFE]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sure they are capable, now that they have a competent GM in charge.

And Rivera and the coaching staff are just sitting back in watching? 

All Gettlemagic

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Reading that was painful. I literally almost threw up.

Keep in mind, reading that probably took all of thirty seconds.

Living it took eleven years.

[Castavar]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

He didn't even mention choosing Otah with the 19th overall pick right before Talib and Chris Johnson.


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I kind of disagree with that though. Otah was good when he played, he just couldn't stay healthy.

[dswofford]

Really guys?? I mean, we don't need a punter anyways when we score everytime!! Can't believe I haven't seen that within these 31 pages, except for pages 21-30 that I skipped due to all the butt-hurt posters on here.

I like the pickup. Do I like the 2018 4th, ehh, not really, but it's all good. He is a hell of a punter. Yes he is 34, so what, he is a punter. Only thing that scares me is tread on the tires, cause you know he was a busy guy in Cleveland. Taking that into account and he still had the average he had. Remarkable!! Damn good punter and worth his contract. Worth the 4th? Who knows, but it was a glaring need with what we had going. So I support the decision.

Can someone bring up Hardy, or Smitty, or even D'Angelo so this thread on a punter can chill the hell down??

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[Xavier]

Basically, every counter-argument is always going to boil down to,"we were really good last year, and we were terrible with a rookie Cam Newton (actually 6-10)".

If you can't understand that the Panthers were destined to become at minimum, a very good team the moment they drafted Cam Newton, and would continue to get better as he progressed and matured as a passer, regardless of other moves that were made, then I don't know what to tell you.

Andrew Luck's Colts were pretty bad last year because they have a bad general manager, but Andrew Luck is nowhere near as good as Cam Newton.  He was by far the best player in the NFL last year, and was not playing on that great of a roster.

Drafting Trai Turner, KK Short, and gathering some good depth guys in four years makes you a good general manager.  Gettleman has not done nearly enough to warrant the deification he gets around here. 

There's a lot of GMs, if handed a team with Cam Newton, Luke, Greg Hardy (huge reason we went 12-4), Josh Norman, Greg Olsen, Kalil, and Thomas Davis - could in four years surround those pieces with nice complementary players to make a Superbowl contender.  It really doesn't take much from that point forward.

And yes I'm aware that 22-23 year old unrefined Cam Newton was not able to make the Panthers great (but, but, but, the Panthers were still bad before Gettleman got here!)

 

[jayflip]

This thread really exploded with some poo posters. Or I guess one poo poster, who then proceeded to become two poo posters to pie himself. 

I haven't seen stat manipulation like that since PFFL. 

[Castavar]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Keep in mind, reading that probably took all of thirty seconds.

Living it took eleven years.

Oh trust me, I've been a fan since 2003, I lived all the miserable Hurney drafts and transactions.

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, thebigcat said:

We were better off keeping Nortman them giving away a fourth... People laugh at the Bucs for drafting a kicker in the second, this is almost as bad
 

Neither almost as bad nor anything alike.

One involved a high-round draft pick on a player of unknown NFL quality.

The other involved a mid-round draft pick on a player of known (Pro Bowl, All-Pro) NFL quality.  

If a team that needed a punter knew with 100% certainty in the draft that the punter they picked would give them Pro Bowl/All-Pro performance, they'd be more than happy to spend a 4th round draft choice.

It would seem like at this point DG would have earned the benefit of the doubt from many of you about how he values draft picks, but I guess not.

[jayflip]

4 minutes ago, Xavier said:

Basically, every counter-argument is always going to boil down to,"we were really good last year, and we were terrible with a rookie Cam Newton (actually 6-10)".

If you can't understand that the Panthers were destined to become at minimum, a very good team the moment they drafted Cam Newton, and would continue to get better as he progressed and matured as a passer, regardless of other moves that were made, then I don't know what to tell you.

Andrew Luck's Colts were pretty bad last year because they have a bad general manager, but Andrew Luck is nowhere near as good as Cam Newton.  He was by far the best player in the NFL last year, and was not playing on that great of a roster.

Drafting Trai Turner, KK Short, and gathering some good depth guys in four years makes you a good general manager.  Gettleman has not done nearly enough to warrant the deification he gets around here. 

There's a lot of GMs, if handed a team with Cam Newton, Luke, Greg Hardy (huge reason we went 12-4), Josh Norman, Greg Olsen, Kalil, and Thomas Davis - could in four years surround those pieces with nice complementary players to make a Superbowl contender.  It really doesn't take much from that point forward.

And yes I'm aware that 22-23 year old unrefined Cam Newton was not able to make the Panthers great (but, but, but, the Panthers were still bad before Gettleman got here!)

 

My god CPK, this is one of the saddest displays I've seen on the Huddle. 

[Xavier]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

We tried 3 guys and unfortunately the FA average punter got hurt multiple times. If Scifres was actually healthy we probably just role with him, but he wasn't and the young guys weren't good enough. It would have been nice to not have to do the trade, but I'm happy solidifying a hole with a great punter and only paying a price that is equivalent to picking 35ish spots later than our 2018 4th round pick. We didn't lose a whole pick we basically just pick 35ish picks later. Not like we are moving down from our 1st, the talent pool difference is much smaller starting at the late 4th.


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35 picks eh?  The Broncos won the Superbowl and had the 130th pick in the 4th round last year (remember, there's a lot of comp picks after).  Let's pretend we win the Superbowl in 2018.

The Colts are in a really easy division and likely to win it any year in which Luck isn't injured.  But let's pretend the Jaguars catch up to them, and they're a 7-9 team.  That would translate to around the 232nd pick of the draft in the 7th round.

Best case scenario, we win the Superbowl in 2018, and Colts somehow don't make the playoffs in that terrible division next year?

We still lose over 100 slots in draft placement.  Not 35, 100.  And it's likely to be a lot more than that.  People forget how many comp picks are stashed into those late rounds.