We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

[PantherWake]

Y'all cry about Gettleman not being in win now mode and now when finally makes a win now move, people still complain smh

[ctrcat]

Browns fans hate the move http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43932&page=1

[ThPantherFan]

Uhhhhhhh, well, I guess so. 

[rodeo]

4 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

Browns fans hate the move http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43932&page=1

nice, good to see that. they think he was traded because he didn't put effort into making a tackle that led to a PR TD last week. but if you're relying on your punter for tackles, you have much bigger problems.

[CPantherKing]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, you should have just kept lurking.

A GM is judged by the quality of the entire 53 man roster he builds, not just part of it. Heck, the worst teams in the league still have great players, but it's the overall results that count.

Even with Cam, Luke and all the others here, we were still losing before Gettleman took over. Now we're consistently winning the division and contending in the playoffs.

If you can't tell the difference between being a regular contender and being an occasional flash in the pan, you're probably not smart enough to watch football.

We all know 2014 was a terrible season that resulted in a losing record. Primarily due to the personnel decisions made in the 2014 off season. How is that consistently winning? That is a good season followed by a bad season. Then another good season. Seems to be the status quo outside the 2009/2010 seasons Jerry Richardson hijacked for his battle with the players over the CBA.

If going to the playoffs as a result of being the best of the worst only to get whooped by the NFC Champion is what you take pride in, then you clearly do not realize the problems this front office has caused and continue to cause for the veterans on the team.

[Saca312]

5 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

Browns fans hate the move http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43932&page=1

browns fans exist?

[Jangler]

2 hours ago, Xavier said:

 

A lot of those are very mediocre players that shine in our scheme, with our all world quarterback who freezes defenses with his ability to scramble or improvise.  Ted Ginn Jr and Philly Brown would struggle to make half the rosters in the NFL (Ginn, was what, the 5th string WR on the Cardinals?)

I don't think most people on this forum actually recognize how great Cam Newton is, or it somehow doesn't factor into their minds when evaluating talent the way a Tom Brady does.  People realize that Tom Brady can make very mediocre weapons look excellent.  I mean you're bringing up guys like Mike Remmers as if he could survive on most rosters, without a qb like Cam, and still needing help from max protect.

Very few of the players you listed have really proved much of anything in the NFL.  Trai Turner and KK Short were excellent picks, especially in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.  We'll see how much camp hype translates into greatness with a lot of the others mentioned.

Our best players over the past few years were all Hurney, with the exception of KK Short's season last year.  Cam, Luke, Stew, Steve Smith, Thomas Davis, Greg Hardy (6th round pick), Josh Norman (5th round pick), Olsen (traded for a third), Kalil (2nd round pick), Charles Johnson (third round), Tolbert (overrated, but made the probowl) - all Hurney guys.  That's been the bedrock of our success.  Most of those pro bowlers I listed were not first rounders, contrary to the conventional wisdom Hurney just hit on obvious picks.

Gettleman has brought in a lot of quality complementary players, and drafted very well, but our impactful stars over the three year run as division winners have been almost all Hurney.  And I'm skeptical how we'd view these complementary patchwork pieces (especially on offense), if they weren't playing with Cam Newton.  Remember, we went 7-8-1 just the other year when Cam Newton was nursing injuries and not performing at an all world level.

Replace Cam with an average QB like Andy Dalton, and how good does he look passing to Ted Ginn and being blocked by Remmers and Oher?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CPantherKing said:

We all know 2014 was a terrible season that resulted in a losing record. Primarily due to the personnel decisions made in the 2014 off season. How is that consistently winning? That is a good season followed by a bad season. Then another good season. Seems to be the status quo outside the 2009/2010 seasons Jerry Richardson hijacked for his battle with the players over the CBA.

If going to the playoffs as a result of being the best of the worst only to get whooped by the NFC Champion is what you take pride in, then you clearly do not realize the problems this front office has caused and continue to cause for the veterans on the team.

We already know you're too stupid to watch football.

Did you create an alt just so you could have someone who didn't call you a moron?

[ctrcat]

1 minute ago, CPantherKing said:

We all know 2014 was a terrible season that resulted in a losing record. Primarily due to the personnel decisions made in the 2014 off season. How is that consistently winning? That is a good season followed by a bad season. Then another good season. Seems to be the status quo outside the 2009/2010 seasons Jerry Richardson hijacked for his battle with the players over the CBA.

If going to the playoffs as a result of being the best of the worst only to get whooped by the NFC Champion is what you take pride in, then you clearly do not realize the problems this front office has caused and continue to cause for the veterans on the team.

Primarily because the league took away our franchise player and $13+ million.  Secondarily because GMan had to clean up Hurney's mess and face the salary cap demon head on or kick the can down the road.

[pantherclaw]

I never considered Nortman as the long term solution. He was a stop gap, that was decent enough to try to retain, but chose not to at the cost he was demanding. 

While they signed some FAs, I never considered them to be a part of the long term solution. 

The punting game is far to valuable, especially to a team that intends on contending for the Superbowl year in and year out. 

A future 4th rd pick for an all pro punter?  Sounds like long term fix to me.  

We should be greatful that our GM works so diligently.

[CPantherKing]

8 minutes ago, PantherWake said:

Y'all cry about Gettleman not being in win now mode and now when finally makes a win now move, people still complain smh

This is not a win now move. This is a oh crap we screwed up and should have given Nortman the money move. Front office is trying to cover up their mistake before the season begins. Problem is Lee is no where near the punter he was in 2012. He has been consistently out kicking his coverage for a couple seasons now. He better make those tackles in season since he just booms it with little to no control now.

[CPF4LIFE]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Cam Newton was the number one pick in the draft. Luke Kuechly was number nine.

We were in the position to pick them at those spots because of how bad the teams that Hurney built the previous years sucked.

The highest that we've drafted since Gettleman took over was 25th because unfortunately we keep winning the division instead of sucking our way into a top ten draft spot.

And this is also a good place to point out that the number one pick that was used on Cam Newton was almost used to trade up for Jimmy Clausen. Throw in that the rest of that 2011 Draft was crap.

That's being realistic.

 

News flash......TEAMS TAKE STEPS BACK. All of the best organizations have there low points and end up picking high in the draft because they lose talent or guys careers are over. Please lets not act like this team didnt make the playoffs or a superbowl under Hurney. We were just never consistent. This team finally wins a superbowl, Hurney won't touch Gettleman . Gettleman has had a great start here in large part due to having cam and Luke 2 he guys HE DID NOT DRAFT and rivera he did not hire.  A building without a foundation will always crumble I will just leave it at that. 

Lastly, for comparison sake, who were the players already on this roster that compare to cam and Luke when Hurney took the job?

Before you glorify the winner of any race you might want to check and see who had the head start and who didn't. Once again, just being realistic. 

[uncfan888]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We already know you're too stupid to watch football.

Did you create an alt just so you could have someone who didn't call you a moron?

Watch out man...  He's got a bodyguard now 

[Xavier]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, you should have just kept lurking.

A GM is judged by the quality of the entire 53 man roster he builds, not just part of it. Heck, the worst teams in the league still have great players, but it's the overall results that count.

Even with Cam, Luke and all the others here, we were still losing before Gettleman took over. Now we're consistently winning the division and contending in the playoffs.

If you can't tell the difference between being a regular contender and being an occasional flash in the pan, you're probably not smart enough to watch tball.

 

This argument is often stated, but is so lacking in critical thinking.  Hurney got fired after Luke's rookie season, and after Cam's second in which he still a nascent, emergent talent, who had not flashed nearly the pocket passing ability he displayed last season.  Quarterbacks take time to develop obviously, as do rookies - so to say, "we were still losing with a 22 year old Cam Newton" is totally disingenuous.  We weren't even terrible, as we went from 1-15 to 6-10 with rookie Cam.

Look into Peyton Manning's rookie season:  here's a clue, the Colts went 3-13.  This isn't even a defense of Hurney, who I think deserved to get fired.  But to credit Gettleman's magnificent roster building skills for our turnaround last season, when in reality, it took an MVP performance from Cam Newton (that he was not capable of at 22 years old) to lift up a very mediocre offense into the best in the league, lacks any real credibility.

You can't have it both ways with Cam being the MVP, and Gettleman being the greatest GM ever.

Cam's numbers weren't as good as Brady or Carson Palmer, but I think we all recognized he deserved the MVP because he was playing with subpar talent?  Who is responsible for this subpart talent, despite the fact he has inherited a probowl running back, center, and tight end?

Did Cam have subpar talent last year or not?  Because if not, he probably doesn't deserve to be MVP.  Our roster is greatly overrated, and part of this is Hurney's fault for strapping us with bad contracts. 

Gettleman has been a terrific scout, as he was with the Giants.  He drafts very well, especially considering it's usually late.  I'd rather have him as GM than Hurney.  But he's not infallible, and has made a mistakes.  We can't just 'trust in Gettleman' when he is obviously doing dumb things because Cam Newton lifted us to 15-1 record last season. 

His record is more patchy than people are willing to admit, and he handled the summer of 2014 pretty terribly.  The Panthers turnaround has largely revolved around Cam improving as a player, and when he was off in 2014 due to injury, we went 7-8-1 even with 'the Godfather' in charge.