We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

[The Lobo]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

I actually think Star is underrated around here.   He does dirty work and isn't a pass rush specialist....but he is a BEAST.   People around here act like he is just a DT

I've been saying this for years. You are not alone. Star is a beast 

[Cj72]

13 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Nope that's not it all, it's just the atmosphere around here is that when it comes to other players in regards to fielding a roster no one is put above cam and Luke talent wise and money. Their names are always brought up when discussing other players but when it comes to acknowledging Hurney for them being here and the impact it made it's drowned out by those same people on how gettleman and his depth moves is what makes this team go. Someone just told me drafting cam wasn't a big deal in regards to Hurney ....I mean it switches back and forth to fit the narrative.

Actually what drowns out those 2 picks is the countless 2nd round busts and all the firsts traded away for players that didn't pan out. 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

Not at all, and definitely was not alluding to that. But let me also respond with my own question to you.

Considering his philosophy and what you know about him do you think Gettleman would have drafted Cam number one overall if he was the GM at the time?

I honestly don't care if he would have drafted Cam or not and I don't want to find out who he would pick at #1. Gettleman has built a very good roster and I'm happy with that.

[Xavier]

I'm just going to link this here, because despite how often it's brought up, people keep saying a 4th rounder is the going rate for a punter like Andy Lee (can someone actually back up with data the idea that Andy Lee has been a top 5 punter the past few years, because the analytics I'm looking at say he's been very average and in decline)

Here is a trade from last year, in which, Andy Lee was traded for a mere 7th rounder.

"The San Francisco 49ers have traded punter Andy Lee to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for a 2017 seventh-round draft pick "

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/6/6/8740975/andy-lee-trade-49ers-browns-draft-pick-bradley-pinion

 

Why did we give up a 4th round pick for someone who was obtainable for a 7th round pick last year?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[uncfan888]

7 minutes ago, Xavier said:

I'm just going to link this here, because despite how often it's brought up, people keep saying a 4th rounder is the going rate for a punter like Andy Lee (can someone actually back up with data the idea that Andy Lee has been a top 5 punter the past few years, because the analytics I'm looking at say he's been very average and in decline)

Here is a trade from last year, in which, Andy Lee was traded for a mere 7th rounder.

"The San Francisco 49ers have traded punter Andy Lee to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for a 2017 seventh-round draft pick "

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/6/6/8740975/andy-lee-trade-49ers-browns-draft-pick-bradley-pinion

 

Why did we give up a 4th round pick for someone who was obtainable for a 7th round pick last year?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We got him and a 7th for our 4th

[MV%doe]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's as if some people can't understand that there's a salary cap and no team can afford to have an All-Pro at every position. Gettleman has done a very good job thus far of plugging holes with cap friendly veteran pieces and drafting young talent to develop. When the worst pick he's made is a 4th round OG you know he's doing pretty damn good.   You can't pay a zone CB the money that Washington gave Norman. You just can't. My biggest criticism of Gettleman is the fact the he allowed us to go into a season with Bell and Chandler at OT. That was a huge mistake and virtually everyone saw that train wreck coming. 

I have about five things, I disagreed with overall. Bell and chandler was one, but that's was while the panthers where in cap hell. Best Dave could offer was around minimum and we know how many prime OT are willing to sign for that. Remember signing cocthey and Harper, well they are still on the books and will be next year too. That year panthers had to take it on the chin that and it did not help gross retired. If gross finished his contract it wouldn't be a train wreck. Bell for what it's worth wasn't a bad RT, just not ready at all for LT duties. Wharton, piggy and that bryers retired as well. Just a perfect storm of OL issues happen with no money to fix.

[Manos]

A 4th seems like a lot for a punter, even getting a 7th rounder as well. Unless he makes the probowl this year we likely lose this trade. 

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, thebigcat said:

We were better off keeping Nortman them giving away a fourth... People laugh at the Bucs for drafting a kicker in the second, this is almost as bad


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Soundslike this guy is an upgrade.  No need to jump.

[Xavier]

It's also very presumptuous to begin assuming we'll pick 32nd in 2018, or even that the Browns will be the worst team in the NFL this year in terms of valuing the placement of these draft picks.  There is great parity in the NFL, injuries happen, and a lot of times make the Super Bowl and regress greatly. 

Most likely the Browns will be terrible this year with RG3 as their QB (7th round picks are pretty uniformly lacking in value, and Gettleman has yet to have one make the roster), but who knows about us in 2018.  We have the best player and best QB in the NFL, so we should always be in the mix, but injuries and other things happen.  Sean Mcdermott might take a job as a college coach somewhere.  We're a year removed from 7-8-1.

The reality is, we gave up a 4th round pick no matter how you try to spin it to feel better.  Even if it's late in the 4th, there will be a bunch of compensatory picks at the end of the 4th round in 2018 after the Superbowl winner drafts.  What's frustrating isn't even losing the 4th rounder, it's the fact that Gettleman will be reluctant to part with any addition draft picks (and rightly so) for actual positions we really need to add (namely, tackle and defensive end).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Xavier said:

Face the facts, the 49ers only gave up a 7th round pick for a younger, healthier Andy Lee just one year ago.  We gave up a 4th round pick for the same player.  There's no way to spin that.

Gettleman would rather overpay for a 34 year old punter, and also give up a valuable 4th round pick, than slightly overpay for the best cornerback in the NFL last year who was desperate to stay in Carolina.

Andy Lee is owed 11 million dollars over the next three years.  That kind of salary could have been the difference between what Josh Norman was demanding, and what we were willing to give up.  I'm sure people will rationalize that Josh is just a cover scheme corner, and it's more important to have a declining punter.

I don't know how you can justify this.  I think Gettleman is a terrific scout, and he drafts exceptionally.  This makes him one of the better GMs in the league.  But when it comes to non scout skills, such as negotiation, how to value your free agents, general people skills, making trades, he's one of the worst.  This is likely why he was passed up for the job for so many decades.  I'd still rather have him than most managers in the league, but people have to be realistic about his serial flaws.

You probably should have just kept lurking.

[CarolinaSamurai]

Y'all having a breakdown over a pick that is 2 years away. 2 frikken years man if you don't think gettlemagic will solve the loss in that amount of time you haven't been paying attention. Not to mention how few spots we have the better the team gets which it is. Calm the F down. We need a great punter now. 

[Ship]

i think we need to factor in that this is a 2018 pick, the value of those picks should probably be less than a current year draft pick right? also, i wonder what the comp picks will be like in 2 years....

i'm fine giving up something for a quality punter. ask anyone who sat through a season where the punter absolutely blew it. that would kill our defense, put tons of pressure on the offense, and makes all important games that much more volatile. we need a safe choice for that position and this appears as safe as any.

[TheRumGone]

Nortman wasn't worth that money but we had no contingency plan and we were forced into dealing a 4th. Obviously gentleman wouldn't think this is ideal but we had to do what we had to do to make sure our punter wouldn't lose us games, because that is a very real thing. A 4th rounder two years from now is not THAT big of a deal and some of y'all are exploding talking about Norman and Marty Hurney? Lol. Wow.

[pantherclaw]

After reading the first 4 pages, it's crystal clear to me, that the masses undervalue the punting game.