We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

[Riverboat Ron]

Lee is probably the best punter in football. This is bigger news than most think, we'll win games with his accuracy and ability to flip the field.

[TheRed]

At this point, the people who all but have Gettleman's cock, and balls all the way down their throat are almost as annoying as the people who try to bash him for everything.

Just let the man work. Good grief.

[Xavier]

11 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

I don't quite understand the freak out. We got a good player at a very important position. We gave up a 4th in 2018? Thats the going rate for a good punter... pay up. 

 

 

You do realize, Andy Lee was traded a year ago for a 7th round pick?  So no, that's not the going rate for a punter.

Gettleman literally just gave up a 4th round pick for the same player who went for a 7th round pick last year.  And he was a year younger and healthier last year, with a smaller cap hit.  He overpaid by three rounds compared to the same deal the Browns made with the 49ers.

And the people calling him the best punter in the NFL haven't been paying attention the past 4 years.  Andy Lee is not the same punter he used to be.  He's still well above average, but he's not great by any means.  He actually has ranked mid-tier with analytics the past couple of years.  The difference between him at 34 and Brad Nortman is negligible at this point.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/ranking-the-top-nfl-punters-this-season/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CPF4LIFE]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I always find it comical when posters basically try to penalize Gettleman for inheriting Cam and Luke. What was he supposed to do? Get rid of them out of spite because they weren't "his guys"? Hurney got fired because he wasnt able to consistently field a winning team, period. Whatever you want to attribute that to, that's whatever. 

Nope that's not it all, it's just the atmosphere around here is that when it comes to other players in regards to fielding a roster no one is put above cam and Luke talent wise and money. Their names are always brought up when discussing other players but when it comes to acknowledging Hurney for them being here and the impact it made it's drowned out by those same people on how gettleman and his depth moves is what makes this team go. Someone just told me drafting cam wasn't a big deal in regards to Hurney ....I mean it switches back and forth to fit the narrative.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, Xavier said:

 

We don't have an amazing front four, we have a great DT in Short (that I give Gettleman a lot of credit for drafting in the 2nd round).  Other than that, we struggle to get pressure.  I like Star, but he's beginning to get overrated on this forum.  Charles Johnson is a shell of his old self, and we'll see with Kony Ealy.  DE is a huge concern for me at this point.

I didn't want us to give Norman a long term deal because he's getting old, and does have some athletic limitations.  But he absolutely would have played one more year on a franchise tag.  In fact, when his franchise was rescinded, he called us and wanted to take a one year deal, but Gettleman told him it was too late.  If we were only willing to pay 13 million, and he wanted 15 million, couldn't we have spared that change by not paying for Andy Lee?

My focus would have been winning the Superbowl THIS YEAR, not worrying about how we are going to extend Kelvin Benjamin three years from now.  All of those other extensions we easily would have been able to fit into our cap space.  People forget the cap is going to rise with the new television deals.

Ryan Clady got traded for a 7th round pick (whose cap hit is only 5 million dollars).  Why not look into something like that after seeing how Remmers and (Oher if we're honest) got abused in the Superbowl?  The frustrating thing is, Gettleman pretends he doesn't care about 'winning this year', because he doesn't believe in windows, but then he panics and overpays for a 34 year old punter who hasn't been great in years with resources (both money and draft picks) we needed to use on tackle, or defensive end depth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually think Star is underrated around here.   He does dirty work and isn't a pass rush specialist....but he is a BEAST.   People around here act like he is just a DT

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Nope that's not it all, it's just the atmosphere around here is that when it comes to other players in regards to fielding a roster no one is put above cam and Luke talent wise and money. Their names are always brought up when discussing other players but when it comes to acknowledging Hurney for them being here and the impact it made it's drowned out by those same people on how gettleman and his depth moves is what makes this team go. Someone just told me drafting cam wasn't a big deal in regards to Hurney ....I mean it switches back and forth to fit the narrative.

Do you want to bring Hurney back?

[Donald LaFell]

2 hours ago, thebigcat said:

We were better off keeping Nortman them giving away a fourth... People laugh at the Bucs for drafting a kicker in the second, this is almost as bad


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Yeah that move never really made sense, we tried to bargain bin with Punters and got burned. Gettlesshorts fell flat this time. 

[CarolinaNCSU]

A 4th rounder seems damn high for a 34 year old punter....but he is one of the best.  After seeing how important field position is/having iffy special teams for years, I'm not going to hate it yet.

 

Plus, Gettleman very well may be playing the comp pick game here. A lost 4th, but gaining an equivalent comp pick that season would lessen the blow. 

[Xavier]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I always find it comical when posters basically try to penalize Gettleman for inheriting Cam and Luke. What was he supposed to do? Get rid of them out of spite because they weren't "his guys"? Hurney got fired because he wasnt able to consistently field a winning team, period. Whatever you want to attribute that to, that's whatever. 

 

No one is penalizing Gettleman, but he always gets the get out of jail free card for every questionable move he makes by pointing to our record last year.

The entire narrative for Cam Newton deserving MVP was that he lifted a bunch of castoff offensive players to the #1 ranked offense in the NFL.  And it was true, Cam really wasn't working with much on offense as a result of Gettleman not building that impressive of a roster.  When Cam didn't play like the best player in the NFL the year before, partially due to injuries, we were 7-8-1.  Let's not pretend like Gettleman has built this long lasting dynasty with exceptional talent.

Our defensive has had all world talent the past three years with some great defensive coaches and schemes.  But largely, that was Greg Hardy, Charles Johnson, Thomas Davis, Luke, Josh Norman dominating the game

If our defense is still top three in the NFL this year, I'll give Gettleman a lot of credit because it will mean he drafted some exceptional rookie corners, Tre Boston overperforming, and Kony Ealy playing like he did in the Superbowl consistently.  We shall see.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MV%doe]

Adding to Daves' credit is his ability to resign cam, luke, Olsen, Kalil, and cj(all herinay guys) to team friendly deals. While herniay would gave cam 25mill, luke 15mill and overpaid the others as well, thus crippling the now&future panthers cap. Panthers are currently in one of the best positions now and in the future.

Dave has continually found UDFAs each year  Melvin white, Philly brown , norwell, Lester, cash, malwore, wegner in four years. Sure some are gone, but they gave the panthers ultra cheap labor for a couple years. Herniay only found hoooover and Fred lane in ten plus years. Plus Dave did this with the SAME scouts....... He came in and said "we're doing things alittle different now". Being so good after the draft has changed how you doing business during the draft. Nearly everyone states never trade mutpile picks to move up a few spots, but panthers have done this for bene, Williams, funchess, and Worley. Cause the current is deep and there's no room.

[Cj72]

I can't complain about this. I never liked Nortman punting. He seemed to shank too many for my tastes

[Sam Mills Fan]

29 minutes ago, MV%doe said:

Sam, your DE ranking is wrong. Very wrong.

That wasn't a ranking, that was just a list of all of them.

[CPF4LIFE]

4 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Do you want to bring Hurney back?

Not at all, and definitely was not alluding to that. But let me also respond with my own question to you.

Considering his philosophy and what you know about him do you think Gettleman would have drafted Cam number one overall if he was the GM at the time?

[LinvilleGorge]

It's as if some people can't understand that there's a salary cap and no team can afford to have an All-Pro at every position. Gettleman has done a very good job thus far of plugging holes with cap friendly veteran pieces and drafting young talent to develop. When the worst pick he's made is a 4th round OG you know he's doing pretty damn good.   You can't pay a zone CB the money that Washington gave Norman. You just can't. My biggest criticism of Gettleman is the fact the he allowed us to go into a season with Bell and Chandler at OT. That was a huge mistake and virtually everyone saw that train wreck coming.