We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

[The Huddler]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

In regards to draft value, nobody really knows right now what giving up that pick means. Things change year to year, as do needs.

But we acquired Greg Olsen, who may become the first TE this season with back to back 1,000 receiving yards, for a 3rd rounder. So, yeah, Andy better look good.

I agree with you

 

but using a trade that was a complete rape of the bears isnt too good of a comparison as to what we should expect out of a respective 3rd round or 4th rounder trade. 

 

I mean come on lol. It was rape

[outlaw4]

All these pages because we had to pay a small premium to address a serious area of concern. Not ideal, yes, but it's better than forcing the defense to start at midfield because the offense has a Super Bowl relapse and we shank a few.

[Kevin Greene]

43 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Randy Moss went to the Patriots for a 4th rounder. This dude better be the best fuging punter alive.

Whadaya mean, Moss only had 3800 receiving yards and 50 TDs in 3 years for the Pats.

[TheWiz]

I don't quite understand the freak out. We got a good player at a very important position. We gave up a 4th in 2018? Thats the going rate for a good punter... pay up. 

 

[KSpan]

38 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Do you know what a position is? They are one of the following: 

QB

RB

FB

WR

TE

T

G

C

DE

NT/DT

LB

S

CB

K

P

Long snapper

Returner

 

The punter is the least important position. This should not be a controversial statement.

Arguing semantics doesn't make you less wrong, and I think we all saw just how important punter is these past weeks. Per your list though, FB is pretty clearly the least important position in today's NFL. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Floppin said:

This is one of the best punters in the league with a decade long proven track record. Anyone comparing this to anything tgat the Bucs did  is being a complete idiot.

We don't do anything: "OMG WHY DON'T WE DO SOMETHING?!"

We so something: "OMG WHY DIDN'T WE WAIT?!"

[LinvilleGorge]

I always find it comical when posters basically try to penalize Gettleman for inheriting Cam and Luke. What was he supposed to do? Get rid of them out of spite because they weren't "his guys"? Hurney got fired because he wasnt able to consistently field a winning team, period. Whatever you want to attribute that to, that's whatever. 

[Razeyfingers]

1 minute ago, Kevin Greene said:

Whadaya mean, Moss only had 3800 receiving yards and 50 TDs in 3 years for the Pats.

and a partridge aaaaaaand NO RIIINGGGsssssssssssssssssss

[MV%doe]

51 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Do you know what a position is? They are one of the following: 

QB

RB

FB

WR

TE

T

G

C

DE

NT/DT

LB

S

CB

K

P

Long snapper

Returner

 

The punter is the least important position. This should not be a controversial statement.

Sam, your DE ranking is wrong. Very wrong.

[rhyslloyd]

Everyone who is pissed off, how tight would your little buttholes be running Redfern out there every week? Email gettleman. I'm sure he'd love to hear how you know more than he does. Make sure to CC me on that email, please.


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[TheRed]

1 minute ago, The Huddler said:

I agree with you

 

but using a trade that was a complete rape of the bears isnt too good of a comparison as to what we should expect out of a respective 3rd round or 4th rounder trade. 

 

I mean come on lol. It was rape

Sure the Olsen trade looks lopsided now 5 years in, but we didn't completely realize the value of the trade at the time. So just like with that, it's an unknown here. All I'm saying is, the pressure is on Lee. Nobody will give a poo about a 4th rounder if he plays really well for us.

[CPF4LIFE]

4 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

No one's trying to deny Hurney's stamp.  But while he aced most first-rounders (when he hadn't traded them away), there was no depth behind them. 

You can't win with only 22 decent players.  Need depth.  Gettleman has transformed the back half of the roster, thus giving the team a chance when faced with injuries, etc.  Also, he's drafted at least two guys (KK & Turner) who are top 5 in their position.

Of course he hasn't drafted another Cam or Luke.  We're not picking in the top 10 anymore.

 

But even with that all said, this team doesn't win 8 games without those 2 players. We're not talking 2 perennial pro bowlers we are talking 2 players in the top 10 of the entire league on the same team for offense and defense. Like I was saying the impact is just to big on and off the field. 

[Xavier]

9 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

you keep talking about josh Norman, but you forget we were able to extend Oher, Coleman, and Ryan Kali to multi year deals with the money that would have gone to Josh Norman. I agree, CB is definitely a huge ? going into this season, but you can't sign every superstar on your team. You have to pick and choose. Gettleman's logic was this ... we have an amazing front 4, an even more amazing front 7, and 3 LB's who are probably the best of the best in zone coverage schemes. With that said, we can probably plug in a few guys at corner who are serviceable and will have the opportunity to succeed given our pass rush. 

You're comparing a guy who wanted $75M over 5 years with $40-50 guaranteed over a punter who's getting $3M a year for a 2018 4th rounder. Yes we're talking about now, but a signing of Norman's magnitude could have huge implications in the near distant future and long term as well. It could handcuff you salary cap wise for a long time. 

 

We don't have an amazing front four, we have a great DT in Short (that I give Gettleman a lot of credit for drafting in the 2nd round).  Other than that, we struggle to get pressure.  I like Star, but he's beginning to get overrated on this forum.  Charles Johnson is a shell of his old self, and we'll see with Kony Ealy.  DE is a huge concern for me at this point.

I didn't want us to give Norman a long term deal because he's getting old, and does have some athletic limitations.  But he absolutely would have played one more year on a franchise tag.  In fact, when his franchise was rescinded, he called us and wanted to take a one year deal, but Gettleman told him it was too late.  If we were only willing to pay 13 million, and he wanted 15 million, couldn't we have spared that change by not paying for Andy Lee?

My focus would have been winning the Superbowl THIS YEAR, not worrying about how we are going to extend Kelvin Benjamin three years from now.  All of those other extensions we easily would have been able to fit into our cap space.  People forget the cap is going to rise with the new television deals.

Ryan Clady got traded for a 7th round pick (whose cap hit is only 5 million dollars).  Why not look into something like that after seeing how Remmers and (Oher if we're honest) got abused in the Superbowl?  The frustrating thing is, Gettleman pretends he doesn't care about 'winning this year', because he doesn't believe in windows, but then he panics and overpays for a 34 year old punter who hasn't been great in years with resources (both money and draft picks) we needed to use on tackle, or defensive end depth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I always find it comical when posters basically try to penalize Gettleman for inheriting Cam and Luke. What was he supposed to do? Get rid of them out of spite because they weren't "his guys"? Hurney got fired because he wasnt able to consistently field a winning team, period. Whatever you want to attribute that to, that's whatever. 

oh man, exactly this.  it's like the chorus of morons who go "hurr cam wouldn't be anything without his gimmick offense".  you don't know that, and even if you did, so the fug what?  we live in this reality, asshole.  i also have my doubts that dave gettleman would have selected raw hamburger with those picks.

give dave the #1 overall in 2011 and a top 10 pick in 2012 and there would still be two fuging good football players on this team.  i personally think he would have sprinted to the podium to draft cam because he loves huge athletic freaks.  if he wouldn't have drafted luke he probably would have gotten poe or cox with klein at mike which isn't what luke brings to this team but based on last season it's clearly not half bad.  since this entire debate is based on hypotheticals let's also not forget that hurney and rivera were on record as having loved mark barron and that he would have almost certainly been the pick had the bucs not grabbed him off the board.  what a happy coincidence that turned out to be.