We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

[Frank Hollywood]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Wow this might be one of the dumbest posts in here. First, the difference this year is $600k between Nortman and Lee, not close. Also, open the brain a bit and realize Norman rejected a one year deal. $75M over 5 years is a bit more than $600k thi year, huh? If you really want to play the Norman game, let's do this. Would you rather have Bradberry, Trai Turner and Andrew Norwell or Josh Norman?

Also, Nortman is gone and we tried to replace him and none of the options worked out. We are replacing with a better punter for a little more. Also, can we stop throwing out "4th round pick" with no context?

We gave up a 2018 4th round and got back a 2017 7th rounder. Based on this year's draft slots that's pick 127 in 2018 for pick up 195 in 2017, which is equivalent in most trades to pick 163 in 2018. All we really did is move down a little over 1 round in 2018 for Lee, a position of need now. Heck, I love the 2017 draft and I'd rather stock pile to move up/grab more DEs, RBs and OTs.

* For context, imagine whether you'd rather have a 7th round rookie or Andrew Norwell/Damiere Byrd in their second year or a 6th round rookie or Beau Sandland in year 2. Heck a 5th round rookie or Tyler Gaffney in year 2 if you're really a Patriots fan.


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163rd pick is a very late 5th rounder. (Probably during the compensatory picks)

This was a good trade. People SEVERELY underestimate the value of a great punter. Pushing back field position will absolutely reduce competitor's points on the board this year. Not sure people get that.

[uncfan888]

Just now, Razeyfingers said:

Well you do it every thread and every other post is whats different. Is your sarcasm a defense mechanism? lol calm down.

You're in here caping for him. I'm not the only one that does it in every thread.  Apparently, you only notice me..  Not sure why that is.  Mjligon, Mr scot, nfl shield, etc. all do it.  But please continue to just bother me about it

[CPF4LIFE]

Some of gettlemans draft picks have been to the pro bowl, Hurney draft picks have won mvps and rookie of the years in regards to the current roster...... You can't remove hurneys stamp here no matter how much u hate him.

[KB_fan]

12 minutes ago, Xavier said:

Instead we have 30 million in cap room we're not even going to use, only a partial amount that will be able to be 'rolled over'

Not a Cap expert, but pretty sure this is incorrect.  I think all 100% rolls over.  Can anyone verify?

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 hour ago, KillerKat said:

 

 

1 hour ago, KillerKat said:

 

Why is it so damn hostile in here lately? The guy is one of the best punters in the league. He will help us win games. What's  the problem?

[uncfan888]

Anyways @Razeyfingers I'm going to continue doing what I do and making fun of trolls like CPK. If you don't like it, there's an ignore feature.. Feel free to use it.  Won't hurt my feelings 

[GRWatcher]

51 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

What's the least important position on the team then dear?

There is no "least important" position on my team. Because, well, ------------> TEAM.

And Bucky Brooks is a schlok. You seriously put any weight in a kick returner's word?

[CPF4LIFE]

Just now, stbugs said:

Picking Cam with the #1 pick overall isn't some great move. Heck, we were 1-15 with all those guys you listed. Even Luke was the 9th pick overall. Good pick, but look at the 2013 crap draft and realize we got out of it (from the 14 hole) with Star, Short and Klein. Gettleman put us in a great cap position and built around some good Hurney picks to turn us into a contender for years. Hurney made some good picks and also lucked into some by making horrible draft mistakes. Look at the drafts the couple years before Cam and 2011 minus Cam and you'll see why the team sucked bad enough to luck into Cam.

Hurney made a few good picks and capitalized on picking #1 and #9 overall. Outside of that, his picks including draft trades and his terrible contracts turns us into a 1-15 team. DG overall has been better in just 3 drafts. I went through his exercise in another thread. DG picked a top 5 DT in round 2 and a top 5 (maybe top 1 soon) G in the 3rd. His draft record down the road will be fantastic considering his oldest draft players have only played 3 years.


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Sorry man....i didn't even read nothin else after this. 

[The Huddler]

Are we going to let a punting and special teams situation hold us back from the superbowl this year?

 

fug no.  

 

On a team where our 1st round pick is a rotational guy, a 4th rounder in 2018 is a SMALL price to pay for upgradinging your special teams in this way. 

 

It was dire people.  The damn was about to break and we got a new one

[LinvilleGorge]

I have no idea what Josh Norman has to do with this. 

Even if we'd backed up the Brinks truck for JNo, we'd still need a punter. 

[TheRed]

In regards to draft value, nobody really knows right now what giving up that pick means. Things change year to year, as do needs.

But we acquired Greg Olsen, who may become the first TE this season with back to back 1,000 receiving yards, for a 3rd rounder. So, yeah, Andy better look good.

[Xavier]

5 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

you keep talking about josh Norman, but you forget we were able to extend Oher, Coleman, and Ryan Kali to multi year deals with the money that would have gone to Josh Norman. I agree, CB is definitely a huge ? going into this season, but you can't sign every superstar on your team. You have to pick and choose. Gettleman's logic was this ... we have an amazing front 4, an even more amazing front 7, and 3 LB's who are probably the best of the best in zone coverage schemes. With that said, we can probably plug in a few guys at corner who are serviceable and will have the opportunity to succeed given our pass rush. 

You're comparing a guy who wanted $75M over 5 years with $40-50 guaranteed over a punter who's getting $3M a year for a 2018 4th rounder. Yes we're talking about now, but a signing of Norman's magnitude could have huge implications in the near distant future and long term as well. It could handcuff you salary cap wise for a long time. 

 

A lot of those are very mediocre players that shine in our scheme, with our all world quarterback who freezes defenses with his ability to scramble or improvise.  Ted Ginn Jr and Philly Brown would struggle to make half the rosters in the NFL (Ginn, was what, the 5th string WR on the Cardinals?)

I don't think most people on this forum actually recognize how great Cam Newton is, or it somehow doesn't factor into their minds when evaluating talent the way a Tom Brady does.  People realize that Tom Brady can make very mediocre weapons look excellent.  I mean you're bringing up guys like Mike Remmers as if he could survive on most rosters, without a qb like Cam, and still needing help from max protect.

Very few of the players you listed have really proved much of anything in the NFL.  Trai Turner and KK Short were excellent picks, especially in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.  We'll see how much camp hype translates into greatness with a lot of the others mentioned.

Our best players over the past few years were all Hurney, with the exception of KK Short's season last year.  Cam, Luke, Stew, Steve Smith, Thomas Davis, Greg Hardy (6th round pick), Josh Norman (5th round pick), Olsen (traded for a third), Kalil (2nd round pick), Charles Johnson (third round), Tolbert (overrated, but made the probowl) - all Hurney guys.  That's been the bedrock of our success.  Most of those pro bowlers I listed were not first rounders, contrary to the conventional wisdom Hurney just hit on obvious picks.

Gettleman has brought in a lot of quality complementary players, and drafted very well, but our impactful stars over the three year run as division winners have been almost all Hurney.  And I'm skeptical how we'd view these complementary patchwork pieces (especially on offense), if they weren't playing with Cam Newton.  Remember, we went 7-8-1 just the other year when Cam Newton was nursing injuries and not performing at an all world level.

Replace Cam with an average QB like Andy Dalton, and how good does he look passing to Ted Ginn and being blocked by Remmers and Oher?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KB_fan]

4 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Some of gettlemans draft picks have been to the pro bowl, Hurney draft picks have won mvps and rookie of the years in regards to the current roster...... You can't remove hurneys stamp here no matter how much u hate him.

No one's trying to deny Hurney's stamp.  But while he aced most first-rounders (when he hadn't traded them away), there was no depth behind them. 

You can't win with only 22 decent players.  Need depth.  Gettleman has transformed the back half of the roster, thus giving the team a chance when faced with injuries, etc.  Also, he's drafted at least two guys (KK & Turner) who are top 5 in their position.

Of course he hasn't drafted another Cam or Luke.  We're not picking in the top 10 anymore.

 

[Razeyfingers]

4 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

You're in here caping for him. I'm not the only one that does it in every thread.  Apparently, you only notice me..  Not sure why that is.  Mjligon, Mr scot, nfl shield, etc. all do it.  But please continue to just bother me about it

I have never "caped" for him lol I have no idea what you mean, crazy guy.

1 minute ago, uncfan888 said:

Anyways @Razeyfingers I'm going to continue doing what I do and making fun of trolls like CPK. If you don't like it, there's an ignore feature.. Feel free to use it.  Won't hurt my feelings 

hahaha well I guess youre definitely defensive.

 

Listen if you have a problem with someone so much that you have to mention them in every one of your posts thats fine. Just dont get upset when someone points out how much of a problem you have with it. It's ok if you have issues, discuss them instead of mentioning the guys name every post. Otherwise you just look like your hugging on the guys nuts and trying to pander for pie by making fun of people.