We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

[uncfan888]

3 minutes ago, Xavier said:

I'm seeing a lot of justification for this trade around 'our window', or 'this is our year to win a Superbowl'.  Wasn't the entire justification for not retaining Josh Norman on a one year franchise deal that Gettleman doesn't 'believe in windows'.

If this is truly a special year for us, where we need to cash in and win it all, why not keep Josh Norman for an extra year?  This punter makes nearly 4 million dollars this year.  The difference between Andy Lee's cap hit and Nortman's cap hit could have paid for the difference between what Josh Norman wanted this year.

Would you rather have an all world corner like Josh Norman, and an average punter in Brad Nortman, plus an extra 4th round pick, or would you rather give up a 4th, pay more salary for Andy Lee, and have to start two rookies at cornerback?

Face it, Gettleman botched this.  An outrage that made me sign up for this forum.

 

There's a guy named cpantherking.. You'll love him 

[Wake]

I don't dislike the move, but I have to wonder where were those tradeable fourth round picks when Cam was running for his life a couple years back? Why isn't the answer on the roster now... instead of when our franchise quarterback is taking unnecessary hits? I don't know, maybe Gettleman is evolving in the way he does business, and now sees the value of shoring up a position into of going into the season with ???'s.

[rodeo]

Randy Moss went to the Patriots for a 4th rounder. This dude better be the best fuging punter alive.

[Xavier]

Face the facts, the 49ers only gave up a 7th round pick for a younger, healthier Andy Lee just one year ago.  We gave up a 4th round pick for the same player.  There's no way to spin that.

Gettleman would rather overpay for a 34 year old punter, and also give up a valuable 4th round pick, than slightly overpay for the best cornerback in the NFL last year who was desperate to stay in Carolina.

Andy Lee is owed 11 million dollars over the next three years.  That kind of salary could have been the difference between what Josh Norman was demanding, and what we were willing to give up.  I'm sure people will rationalize that Josh is just a cover scheme corner, and it's more important to have a declining punter.

I don't know how you can justify this.  I think Gettleman is a terrific scout, and he drafts exceptionally.  This makes him one of the better GMs in the league.  But when it comes to non scout skills, such as negotiation, how to value your free agents, general people skills, making trades, he's one of the worst.  This is likely why he was passed up for the job for so many decades.  I'd still rather have him than most managers in the league, but people have to be realistic about his serial flaws.

 

 

[PanthersBigD]

This seems like a good signing to me, and once I saw that Sam Mills Fan was against it, that confirmed it for me :D.


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[NJPanthers12]

2 minutes ago, Xavier said:

Face the facts, the 49ers only gave up a 7th round pick for a younger, healthier Andy Lee just one year ago.  We gave up a 4th round pick for the same player.  There's no way to spin that.

Gettleman would rather overpay for a 34 year old punter, and also give up a valuable 4th round pick, than slightly overpay for the best cornerback in the NFL last year who was desperate to stay in Carolina.

Andy Lee is owed 11 million dollars over the next three years.  That kind of salary could have been the difference between what Josh Norman was demanding, and what we were willing to give up.  I'm sure people will rationalize that Josh is just a cover scheme corner, and it's more important to have a declining punter.

I don't know how you can justify this.  I think Gettleman is a terrific scout, and he drafts exceptionally.  This makes him one of the better GMs in the league.  But when it comes to non scout skills, such as negotiation, how to value your free agents, general people skills, making trades, he's one of the worst.  This is likely why he was passed up for the job for so many decades.  I'd still rather have him than most managers in the league, but people have to be realistic about his serial flaws.

 

 

lol what are you possibly talking about? 

[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, Xavier said:

Face the facts, the 49ers only gave up a 7th round pick for a younger, healthier Andy Lee just one year ago.  We gave up a 4th round pick for the same player.  There's no way to spin that.

Gettleman would rather overpay for a 34 year old punter, and also give up a valuable 4th round pick, than slightly overpay for the best cornerback in the NFL last year who was desperate to stay in Carolina.

Andy Lee is owed 11 million dollars over the next three years.  That kind of salary could have been the difference between what Josh Norman was demanding, and what we were willing to give up.  I'm sure people will rationalize that Josh is just a cover scheme corner, and it's more important to have a declining punter.

I don't know how you can justify this.  I think Gettleman is a terrific scout, and he drafts exceptionally.  This makes him one of the better GMs in the league.  But when it comes to non scout skills, such as negotiation, how to value your free agents, general people skills, making trades, he's one of the worst.  This is likely why he was passed up for the job for so many decades.  I'd still rather have him than most managers in the league, but people have to be realistic about his serial flaws.

 

 

Bahahahahahahah annddd we have a new alt account.

CPantherKing?

[rodeo]

2 minutes ago, Xavier said:

Face the facts, the 49ers only gave up a 7th round pick for a younger, healthier Andy Lee just one year ago.  We gave up a 4th round pick for the same player.  There's no way to spin that.

Gettleman would rather overpay for a 34 year old punter, and also give up a valuable 4th round pick, than slightly overpay for the best cornerback in the NFL last year who was desperate to stay in Carolina.

Andy Lee is owed 11 million dollars over the next three years.  That kind of salary could have been the difference between what Josh Norman was demanding, and what we were willing to give up.  I'm sure people will rationalize that Josh is just a cover scheme corner, and it's more important to have a declining punter.

I don't know how you can justify this.  I think Gettleman is a terrific scout, and he drafts exceptionally.  This makes him one of the better GMs in the league.  But when it comes to non scout skills, such as negotiation, how to value your free agents, general people skills, making trades, he's one of the worst.  This is likely why he was passed up for the job for so many decades.  I'd still rather have him than most managers in the league, but people have to be realistic about his serial flaws.

 

 

just thought I'd bold the part where you almost stirred everyone's ire but then lost it and we just chuckled at you. cause we actually recall that Norman had refused to sign the franchise tag and was demanding a trade.

[PandaPancake]

5 minutes ago, Xavier said:

 

Gettleman would rather overpay for a 34 year old punter, and also give up a valuable 4th round pick, than slightly overpay for the best cornerback in the NFL last year who was desperate to stay in Carolina.

 

We see you Norman. No way to get around that.

[KB_fan]

22 minutes ago, Xavier said:

Face it, Gettleman botched this.  An outrage that made me sign up for this forum.

Welcome to the forum.  Glad you signed up.

Don't recall people complaining when we let Nortman go. It wasn't just about the money.  Nortman's punting wasn't so good, our Special Teams needed some help.  So, we tried Waters (who won the CFL Grey Cup) and then hoped Scifres would be back to his very good self after offseason surgery on his planting leg.  Sadly, Scifres was not looking fully recovered and to make matters worse was just injured on a roughing the kicker play by the Patriots.  So, yeah, stuff happens. 

Agree that in hindsight we maybe could have just kept Nortman.  But Lee is probably an upgrade.  I think it will all work out fine in the end.   Letting Nortman walk will probably be helping us with a 7th round comp pick anyway...

Josh Norman's situation is irrelevant to the punter situaiton.  That money saved by letting JNo walk will hopefully help us sign KK, while then having enough money to sign Turner & Norwell and Star in the future.

[Xavier]

People worship Dave Gettleman in some kind of weird universe where they pretend we don't have Cam Newton, the best and most impactful player in the NFL (the Lebron James of the NFL).  All this talk about how Gettleman is the sole reason the Panthers have turned it around.

But wait, wasn't the entire justification for why Cam Newton was the MVP due to the fact he had no weapons (besides Olsen and Stewart, inherited from Hurney), a mediocre offensive line that relied on max protect schemes, and overall deficit talent?  You can't both say Cam Newton did the most with so little, and then say the 'so little' was due to having a great general manager.

Cam Newton would make a lot of general managers look smart.  Most of our best players were a result of Hurney, and not all of them were obvious 1st round picks as people like to claim.  People will say that the Panthers stunk even with Cam Newton before Gettleman arrived.  Yeah, it's pretty typical for Hall of Fame quarterbacks to struggle in their rookie and sophomore seasons before they improve to greatness.

[Mojo]

Gotta do what you gotta do. We clearly had to makev something happen. It was a need but it had to be done. Sometimes field position is the difference between a w and l.


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[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, Xavier said:

People worship Dave Gettleman in some kind of weird universe where they pretend we don't have Cam Newton, the best and most impactful player in the NFL (the Lebron James of the NFL).  All this talk about how Gettleman is the sole reason the Panthers have turned it around.

But wait, wasn't the entire justification for why Cam Newton was the MVP due to the fact he had no weapons (besides Olsen and Stewart, inherited from Hurney), a mediocre offensive line that relied on max protect schemes, and overall deficit talent?  You can't both say Cam Newton did the most with so little, and then say the 'so little' was due to having a great general manager.

Cam Newton would make a lot of general managers look smart.  Most of our best players were a result of Hurney, and not all of them were obvious 1st round picks as people like to claim.  People will say that the Panthers stunk even with Cam Newton before Gettleman arrived.  Yeah, it's pretty typical for Hall of Fame quarterbacks to struggle in their rookie and sophomore seasons before they improve to greatness.

Yep definitely @CPantherKing

[KB_fan]

11 minutes ago, Wake said:

I don't dislike the move, but I have to wonder where were those tradeable fourth round picks when Cam was running for his life a couple years back? Why isn't the answer on the roster now... instead of when our franchise quarterback is taking unnecessary hits? I don't know, maybe Gettleman is evolving in the way he does business, and now sees the value of shoring up a position into of going into the season with ???'s.

Not a bad question, really.

Remember last year after KB went down, folks here were adamant that "Gettleman never trades" and then lo and behold he trades for Norwood, and then traded for Allen too...

So, yes, Gettleman may be evolving.  But also, remember the team's situation is evolving too,  We are now so deep at most positions that some of our draft picks might not even make the roster this year (Sandland).  We also have a lot more Cap space.  So, Gettleman has more and varied resources to work with and fewer positions of critical need.  That in a sense decreases the value of our draft picks.