When was the last time this place was so quiet about our 1st round pick?

[outlaw4]

If it's anything like collard greens, gotta give Butler some time to fulfill his potential. 

[CRA]

5 hours ago, davos said:

First off--this is not a dig at Butler. I think he has the ceiling to be an absolute monster and today's NFL should center around the interior DL, OL, QB and front 7 in general. We are positioning ourselves very well.

 

My question though--what are we expecting from this kid? We have guys in Specific roles in Star, KK, Paulie S, etc but where does big Vern fit in? I see no talk about his performance, potential or anything and he was our top pick this draft. First time in forever that's been the dealio.

whatcha got peeps?

Not apples to apples but we could of drafted the best QB in the draft.  He isn't going to get tons of talk/hype because we got Cam.

we have two studs at DT.  Most first round picks don't go to teams with powerhouses at the spot.  Well, expect for Carolina lately.  

When Shaq got drafted he got less talk IMO than the last several years of selections 

[CRA]

4 hours ago, Clicheking said:

I wish people would understand there is literally no position we could of picked a player other than cb, where the player picked was going to get a lot of playing time/hype. No need to panic though, its just a sign of a talented and deep football team

Seahawks drafted a OT right after the Butler pick.  

The 2 losses last year were largely due to the fact our RT play was horrible

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

Seahawks drafted a OT right after the Butler pick.  

The 2 losses last year were largely due to the fact our RT play was horrible

i want you to look me in my internet face and say that you'd be comfortable going into opening night with a rookie going up against von miller

a rookie that the seahawks are currently playing at guard, by the way

[CRA]

Just now, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

i want you to look me in my internet face and say that you'd be comfortable going into opening night with a rookie going up against von miller

a rookie that the seahawks are currently playing at guard, by the way

I'm not comfortable with Remmers playing RT opening night.  Not comfortable with him against great D's like Denver or bad ones like Atlanta. 

so, I'd take the gamble on someone who might be a little better.

regardless, our coaches need to do a better job vs Miller 

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16 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I chuckle at some of the "we should have taken X" posts. Did anyone watch the Cincy-Jags game on tonight? Luke Joeckel was a T taken #2 overall in 2013, can't miss, OTs are safer than skill positions. He is now a guard and Collinsworth was talking about him right before he got bull rushed and knocked on his ass getting Bortles hit. He got ripped a new asshole and he was the #2 overall pick.

Yes, I know all positions have busts, but watching him get owned by the Bengals reminded me of threads like this. I don't care how good DG has been, no GM is perfect. I think Butler was a good pick. Ifedi was the only T close to pick-able at 30 and he's really a guard and is playing guard for Seattle.

it reminds me of people being all over james hurst's dick in 2014 when he played virtually the same as byron bell.  if your QB is getting killed your QB is getting killed.

remmers' biggest issue is handling speedrushers and it's probably an athletic limitation.  his technique and football acumen is generally on point.

if my choices are that vs. a rookie with raw technique who will be targeted all night and gets to deal with a guy who is twice as good as any pass rusher he's ever faced in his life i'll readily take the first one even though i'd rather have something better.

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8 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm not comfortable with Remmers playing RT opening night.  Not comfortable with him against great D's like Denver or bad ones like Atlanta. 

so, I'd take the gamble on someone who might be a little better.

regardless, our coaches need to do a better job vs Miller 

i look at as a no-win situation where you've got remmers who knows what's going on but just isn't going to be able to pull it off athletically at points vs. a rookie who's never seen anything like a von miller and may or may not have the skill set to actually be a tackle in the NFL which is the case with ifedi.

like remmers is gonna get whipped.  it's going to happen at least once.  i think you drop germain ifedi in that position and he winds up benched at some point in the game and remmers is out there anyway.

and yes, the coaching staff has had six months to get ready for this.  the end result better be different.

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Just now, stbugs said:

Taking a chance on Ifedi isn't a gamble, he's a guard not a tackle. He'd get eaten alive by Miller as a tackle.

Just because he is playing RG doesn't mean he couldn't play T for another team.  He was diverse in college.  Seattle also hasn't ruled out moving him outside later.

We have had Guards in Carolina play OT for us as well.  Diverse lineman are a good thing. 

He is much more talented football player than Remmers. 

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33 minutes ago, stbugs said:

They haven't ruled him out, but most of what I read about him was that he'd likely be a guard in the NFL. If he was good enough for tackle then one would think they would have played him there. According to this article from today, both tackle spots are still up for grabs and not set with the starters. Again, Ifedi likely wouldn't have helped us in any way shape or form this year other than put a guard at tackle in his rookie year and watch Miller abuse him.

Yes, he's a first round pick, so he's more talented.

Barely a first round pick.  Seattle thought they could get cute and still get a DT that could collapse the pocket, so they trade back and 3 DT's go before their pick including their target Butler (and their OL is far worse than ours).  They then scramble with Ifedi and have to trade up for a one dimensional DT in Reed that can only stuff the run and offers zero as a pass rusher.  

i don't love Remmers, but speaking of Seattle, he did a fine job on loud mouth Bennett.

Ogbah supposedly has been so-so at best as well.

Jury is still WAY out on ALL rookies.

[davos]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Not apples to apples but we could of drafted the best QB in the draft.  He isn't going to get tons of talk/hype because we got Cam.

we have two studs at DT.  Most first round picks don't go to teams with powerhouses at the spot.  Well, expect for Carolina lately.  

When Shaq got drafted he got less talk IMO than the last several years of selections 

That is true.  We knew Shaq would get time because of our D packages but with big Vern, it's a different story given the amount of monsters we have on the interior.  It's all positives though which is awesome...maybe I should've just made a Butler appreciation thread haha.  

[Riverboat Ron]

Butler is a pick 3 years down the road you'll be trying to figure how he fell to us when he's a top 10 DT in the league.

 

Butler is a developmental prospect that gives us depth in 2016 and leverage in 2017.

[CarolinaJami']

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Seahawks drafted a OT right after the Butler pick.  

The 2 losses last year were largely due to the fact our RT play was horrible

There was that one time we had 15 losses (2001). Now we can't stand the two losses. What a time to be a Panthers fan.

[davos]

Still though, I directly ask for what people think of him and there are barely any posts about it.  I left it open ended but want to know about this kid we drafted.  

Reading through, it's more people defending Gettleman or going against the decision but that has nothing to do with simply seeing how the guy who we invested our first round pick is doing.  

Anyone? Not saying anything about the decision to draft him or the fact he needs some years to develop.  He was our first rounder.   

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9 hours ago, IceWhiteice said:

I dont know , Remmers look pretty bad out there Friday, he going to get Cam killed

Yep   if Shula don't come up with somethings to help him , Von millers gonna ass rape Remmers  again.