Kaepernick makes statement during National Anthem

[Kakarot]

Kaep has been down with the cause for awhile now, this isn't something new. Good for Kaep; standing up for what he believes in. Hopefully, more athletes start to speak out and take stands like this. This reminded me of what Mahmoud Abdul Rauf did

[jasonluckydog]

Police across America will no longer shoot black people after being shamed by Kap. I read that on the  Internet 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, jasonluckydog said:

Police across America will no longer shoot black people after being shamed by Kap. I read that on the  Internet 

The only way that shame actually works is if the people who are in power, who are compelled by their constituents, actually give a damn. From the actions, or inaction as it were, that has long been embedded within the fabric of America (which should be greater than the fabric of the flag), then most people just don't care. In order to really know where a man stands, you not only listen to what he says, but more importantly you watch what he does. If the two don't jibe, you know that he really stands for nothing.

And, by the way, Kaepernick wasn't trying to shame anyone. 

[TheRed]

So let me get this straight.

Kaepernick is suddenly regarded as a selfless political activist because he sat on his ass.

But Cam Newton who does a substantial amount of charitable work in his own community was recently labeled a "sell out" on this very message board because he didn't want to give the media more ammunition to blast him with for months.

That's bullshit, and pure hypocrisy.

[jim stone]

Much as I dislike Kap, he is partially correct.  Him and Donald Trump.  Dumbass as he is, he just picked the incorrect way of protesting.  Makes me wonder if he know who is actually doing the oppressing.   Democrats love the racial turmoil.  Means votes for them for some reason.   

[TheRed]

Even if I could buy into this newfound Saint status for Kaepernick. This is the same guy who taunted, and talked poo to his own fans on instagram. You know, those pesky plebs whose existence just so happens to be the whole reason he is able to make countless millions playing a game.

But he cares so much about other people!

 

[fitty76]

 

[Happy Panther]

21 hours ago, scpanther22 said:

On some things I can't defend him but in this case what exactly is he suppose to do?

He's donated money to protest organizations before, this isnt even the first time he hasnt stood up for the flag. The only reason it got big this time was becasue the media latched on to it and asked him about it. He responded. 

there is no such thing as an effective peaceful protest and thats what people want.

There is non-violent protest which isn't the same, all protest has to be disruptive of something, it has to hurt feelings to start a conversation and if you believe the flag represents a state where  yes its good, even great compared to what else out there but still needs work, still treats people that look like you in unjust ways then it should be your right not to feel obligated to stand for it.

if you love something you should be able to say we have a problem here.

Good post and a few admissions.

I didn't realize he had been active in social media and had given money.

I also understand that  whatever you think about his protest there is an underlying reason why he is mad. We have an inequality problem and a bunch of angry black people in this country. And some angry white people too. So while I think Kaep is a douchebag I am at least man enough to admit he is at least adressing the problem. If not in an ineffective and useless way.

But still douchebag.

[chknwing]

[jim stone]

4 hours ago, TheRed said:

Even if I could buy into this newfound Saint status for Kaepernick. This is the same guy who taunted, and talked poo to his own fans on instagram. You know, those pesky plebs whose existence just so happens to be the whole reason he is able to make countless millions playing a game.

But he cares so much about other people!

 

He was fined for using  racial slurs towards black players.  http://dailysnark.com/throwback-colin-kaepernick-fined-using-racial-slurs-towards-black-players/

[Kakarot]

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2016/08/28/49ers-colin-kaepernick-adamently-voices-stance-vows-continue/

49ers Colin Kaepernick will continue anthem boycott, speaks out on police brutality, presidential election

Colin Kaepernick adamantly outlined why he won’t be standing for the national anthem: to bring justice to America.

“Ultimately it’s to bring awareness and make people realize what’s really going on in this country,” Kaepernick said Sunday inside the 49ers locker room. “There are a lot of things that are going on that are unjust, people aren’t being held accountable for, that’s something that needs to change.

“That’s something, that, this country stands for liberty, freedom, justice for all. And it’s not happening for all right now.”

Kaepernick embraced the uproar that’s ensued after it became public Friday night that he didn’t stand for the national anthem and instead sat by water coolers on the 49ers bench.

Kaepernick plans to continue his anthem protest.

“I’ll continue to sit. I’m continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed,” Kaepernick said. “To me this is something that has to change, and when there’s significant change and I feel that that flag represents what it’s supposed to represent and this country is representing people in the way that it’s supposed to, I’ll stand.”

Kaepernick stood before his 49ers teammates Sunday and explained his rationale, which won over at least one skeptical teammate.

“When it came out, honestly I took offense to it,” center Daniel Kilgore said. “But after Kap stated his case and seeing where he’s coming from, I do stand with Kap when he says enough is enough against crime, violence, discrimination and racism.”

Wide receiver Torrey Smith added: “I know he’s taken a lot of heat for it, and he understands when you do something like that, it offends a lot of people. When I think of the national anthem, I think of the soldiers that have died for our rights, and a right that he exercised.”

Kaepernick said he did not advise anyone he was going to protest the anthem, and, although no teammate has said they’ll follow his lead, he said he has received widespread support from not only the 49ers organization but those outside the sports realm.

Kaepernick passionately spoke for 18 minutes to about 30 reporters swarming around his locker. One player eaves dropped behind the media scrum: running back Shaun Draughn, who said: “He stood for what he believes in. You’ve got to respect it.”

Kaepernick clearly has fallen behind Blaine Gabbert to reclaim the starting quarterback job, but not because of his off-field actions or words. A sore throwing shoulder kept Kaepernick out of the first two exhibitions, and he only played 12 snaps in Friday’s exhibition loss to the Green Bay Packers.

Gabbert’s take on Kaepernick: “The beautiful thing about this country is everyone is afforded the right to their own opinion. That’s his opinion.”

With the exhibition season closing Thursday at San Diego, coach Chip Kelly has not announced who’ll be his starting quarterback for the Sept. 12 regular-season opener against the Los Angeles Rams. Kaepernick is not fearing a potential release over his activism.

“But if I do, I know I did what’s right and I can live with that at the end of the day,” Kaepernick said.

Kaepernick insisted his stance is not to bring attention to himself but the plight of “oppressed” people.

“There’s a lot of things that need to change,” Kaepernick said. “One, specifically, is police brutality. There’s people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable.

“Cops are getting paid leave for killing people. That’s not right. That’s not right by anyone’s standards.”

Smith, the 49ers’ most veteran wide receiver, added: “We have real issues in society that need to be addressed. That was his way of standing up for it. Whether I agree with what he did or not, that’s not something I would do, but he did it.”

Kaepernick also weighed in on the U.S. presidential race and how it mirrors society’s problems.

“The two presidential candidates we have represent the issues we have now,” Kaepernick said. “You have Hillary (Clinton) who’s called black kids, black teens ‘super predators.’ You have Trump who’s openly racist.”

Kaepernick said he’s speaking out — and boycotting the anthem — only after gaining more knowledge of the country’s issues. Added Kaepernick: “These aren’t new situations, this isn’t new ground. It’s things that have gone on in this country for years and years and have never been addressed, and need to be.”

Kaepernick insisted that he means no disrespect toward the U.S. military, with whom many teammates say they think of when the American flag is unfurled before games.

“I have great respect for our men and women that fought for this country,” Kaepernick said. “I have family, I have friends that have fought for this country. And they fight for freedom. They fight for liberty and justice, for everyone.

“And that’s not happening. I mean, people are dying in vain because this country is not holding its end of the bargain up as far as giving freedom and justice and liberty to everybody.

“It’s something that’s not happening. I’ve seen videos, I’ve seen circumstances, where men and women that have been in the military have come back and been treated unjustly by the country they fought for, and have been murdered by the country they fought for. On our land. That’s not right.”

Several teammates said they had no idea Kaepernick wasn’t standing for the anthem and didn’t learn about it until NFL Media first reported it after Friday’s game.

“We know Colin. We support Colin,” linebacker NaVorro Bowman said. “I don’t think it’s a bad thing because he voiced his opinion on such a strong topic. But we can’t allow this to divide our team.”

[TheRed]

Yo, @Kakarot, why is this guy revered, but Newton is a sell out?

[Floppin]

6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Yo, @Kakarot, why is this guy revered, but Newton is a sell out?

You know why he got blasted. He made a statement that his unfair criticisms weren't racially based and that "we are beyond that". I love Cam, and despise Colin, but you're letting your own personal football biases compromise your normal social ethics position. Personally it's cringe worthy watching you shift into an argument strategy very similar to ones you usually lambast incessantly in the TB.

[Floppin]

Ad hominem is a debate strategy for someone with no actual valid position from which to debate from.