Broncos fan: "You need pie".

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, CPantherKing said:

You call them forced fumbles by Von Miller. I call it an illegal hit to the head of the QB and an illegal batted ball toward the opponents end zone. Be glad Miller did not get called for those blatant penalties. If Peyton Manning's head jostled from a hit to the side or the Panthers batted a ball down the field 10 yards that Manning was about to recover, then the officials would have flagged the Panthers in a second.

Never thought that day would come where I'd actually agree with a CPK post. Maybe there's a bit of good in him.

[PleaseGetReal]

19 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

You guys have lost some pieces, don't say your losses on Defense isn't that substantial. I even say losing Norman for us is big, but not as bad as what you guys have lost.

Losing an all-pro corner is not as big as 2 starters who never even made a pro bowl and a couple backups?  Ok...

The defense is basically intact, and no, it's not all about Von.  It's about the entire defensive unit.  Check the AFCCG for how they handle a fast paced spread offense. 

[CPantherKing]

2 hours ago, PleaseGetReal said:

I have all the respect in the world for Peyton Manning.  His first three years in Denver were truly epic, and Broncos fans were lucky to have the opportunity to see him in orange and blue.  But none of that respect, gratitude, and good feeling can alter the facts of 2015 Peyton Manning.  Whether it was his age, the lingering foot injury, a new system that wasn't ideal for his skill set, the horrific play of the offensive line, or more likely, a combination of all these factors, Manning was not good in 2015.  His leadership was certainly crucial in the postseason, but let's not pretend that it was Manning who had Miller and Ware keeping Cam under constant assault for the whole game.  I can appreciate the player Manning was while being realistic about the comparatively minor role he played in ultimately securing the Championship, a Championship that was unequivolly won through the play of an historic defense.

You should respect Manning. He is the reason the Broncos made it through the playoffs. Without Manning starting at QB, the Broncos never get past the Patriots or the Panthers. You know that defense was allowed to do things other defenses would get penalized for because of Manning.

[Saca312]

11 minutes ago, PleaseGetReal said:

Losing an all-pro corner is not as big as 2 starters who never even made a pro bowl and a couple backups?  Ok...

The defense is basically intact, and no, it's not all about Von.  It's about the entire defensive unit.  Check the AFCCG for how they handle a fast paced spread offense. 

Alright. Give me an answer on how they'll handle Kelvin, Funchess, and Olsen on the field, while accounting for Ginn's speed. Kelvin demands a double team to neutralize his corner bullying style of play, Olsen demands one as well, and Funchess will need one as well. Patriots had Edelmen and Gronk, and that's pretty much it. 

During the Superbowl we had an injured Stew who still did damage, no Benjamin, and very few who had the ability to get open. This year, our WR's will get open much quicker. Understand this is a different offense than the Patriots. Just you wait.

And about Norman, I've acknowledged his loss, but in our system it isn't that huge of a deal. Bradberry and Worley both have different styles of play that excel in our system. They both are getting a hang of the system and making plays. If Bradberry and Worley have been good enough to decently cover KB and fluid Funchess, I believe your WR's will be child's play in their eyes. At this point, they made leaps and bounds compared to Norman's rookie performance, and his tendency to go "rogue."

[Burnout189]

Losing an all-pro corner is not as big as 2 starters who never even made a pro bowl and a couple backups?  Ok...

The defense is basically intact, and no, it's not all about Von.  It's about the entire defensive unit.  Check the AFCCG for how they handle a fast paced spread offense. 

Historic, and arguably better than the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens.  Obviously the stats don't match, but the 85 Bears had the #2 offense in the league that year and the Ravens had a power running game that helped chew up clock and limit turnovers.  The Broncos defense was on the field more than the inept offense, often covering short fields due to turnovers.  No defense in history has had to carry so much weight, and you supply more evidence in the Broncos offensive stats in the SB. Lowest ever by a Super Bowl winner. It was like that most of the season.  Those "timely" turnovers weren't lucky, it was what they had been doing all season to make up for what was lacking on offense.  I do agree your OC made some really questionable decisions, and I guess we'll find out if he learned when we see if he leaves the edge rushers singled again, or if he at least forces the pressure to come from somewhere else.  Either way, don't doubt that Cam will be under pressure.  It should come down to who can grit their teeth and gut it out to the end.  I know the Broncos can win that type of game, they did it all last season.  We'll find out if the Panthers have gotten tougher.  We agree at least on Sep 8 not getting here fast enough.

Dude, say what you will about your defense but let's talk offense for a moment.
Peytons whole game plan that game was to not f*** up. Period. He played the safe game to fullest degree, and it was just enough for Denver to win with all even with Carolinas numerous mistakes.
Do you really think Butt fumble Sanchez will have the same poise? I don't think so. My bet is he gets rushed, and worried by our front seven and makes the mistakes Peyton didn't make and we absolutely feast on his a**.

Prepare thy anus ;)

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[Wundrbread33]

3 hours ago, PleaseGetReal said:

They had a very poor offense and played against a heavily favored team and "handled" them pretty well.  I'd say they will use that game's strategy of being more physical on defense in this season's opener.

If they use the same strategy, then they will lose. 

It took many miscues for them to have chances to score. 

Speaking of physical defense, their D was no more physical than ours. The only difference is they forced turnovers right next to our endzone, and we forced them at midfield.

[PleaseGetReal]

25 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

You call them forced fumbles by Von Miller. I call it an illegal hit to the head of the QB and an illegal batted ball toward the opponents end zone. Be glad Miller did not get called for those blatant penalties. If Peyton Manning's head jostled from a hit to the side or the Panthers batted a ball down the field 10 yards that Manning was about to recover, then the officials would have flagged the Panthers in a second.

On the first fumble, the contact was on the shoulder, a perfectly legal hit.  Cam's head was jostled because of the physics of being hit from the side.  On the second fumble, you're saying it wasn't a fumble, because after the fumble Von illegally batted the ball?  Despite cause and effect not working that way, an illegal bat is called when a player's intention is unquestionably to hit the ball and not attempt a recovery.  There is no bias large enough for someone to truthfully claim that Von's intention was unquestionably to bat and not recover.  It's a call that simply can't be made in that circumstance, and complaining about it is weak.  The officials largely stayed out of the game, and most of the Panthers' penalties were procedure fouls that weren't even judgement calls.

24 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

You should respect Manning. He is the reason the Broncos made it through the playoffs. Without Manning starting at QB, the Broncos never get past the Patriots or the Panthers. You know that defense was allowed to do things other defenses would get penalized for because of Manning.

And you should be better than this.  This type of BS conspiracy crap is sour grapes.  If you truly believe the NFL fixes games like this then you shouldn't even be a fan anymore.  NFL game fixing also basically invalidates your 15-1 season if it's just part of the script.  Besides which, Von Miller has more holds not called than any pass rusher I've ever seen in 30 years of NFL fandom, so if that's what the officiating looked like when they were "helping" Manning, then I can't imagine how bad it will get this season.

[Wundrbread33]

@PleaseGetReal are you a Broncos fan?

Because Broncos fans I normally talk to know that everything went their way in that game. I'm not one of those conspiracy guys: I just know we poo'd the bed offensively and so does most of the Denver fanbase.

[PleaseGetReal]

26 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Alright. Give me an answer on how they'll handle Kelvin, Funchess, and Olsen on the field, while accounting for Ginn's speed. Kelvin demands a double team to neutralize his corner bullying style of play, Olsen demands one as well, and Funchess will need one as well. Patriots had Edelmen and Gronk, and that's pretty much it. 

Alright.  If they have 3 receivers on the field and their receiving TE, that leaves 5 Olinemen with only one guy in the backfield for pass protection.  They singled Olsen without issue during the Super Bowl, so claiming he needs to be doubled is false.  Harris, Talib, and Roby are more than capable of singling your wideouts for the 2.5-3 sec of time Cam will get with the smaller blocking package your formation requires.  Sure if you go with 2 wideouts and keep 2 backs and 2 TEs to block, the corners can't tie them up in single coverage for the 5-6 sec Cam would have, but with only 2 pass routes, they'll have plenty of personnel to double both.  

Will the Panthers get shut down on every play? Of course not, but to claim that they are going to do what no one in the league, including the Panthers, was able to do last season is naive.  

Add all the speed you want, but you sacrifice blocking and increase the pressure from a relentless pass rush.  The Panthers will need to mix it up and get creative and, quite frankly, lucky to find success against this defense.  They will absolutely make plays.  The question is, will they make enough.  Maybe yes, maybe no.  Either way, I'm expecting a close game.

[Saca312]

2 minutes ago, PleaseGetReal said:

Alright.  If they have 3 receivers on the field and their receiving TE, that leaves 5 Olinemen with only one guy in the backfield for pass protection.  They singled Olsen without issue during the Super Bowl, so claiming he needs to be doubled is false.  Harris, Talib, and Roby are more than capable of singling your wideouts for the 2.5-3 sec of time Cam will get with the smaller blocking package your formation requires.  Sure if you go with 2 wideouts and keep 2 backs and 2 TEs to block, the corners can't tie them up in single coverage for the 5-6 sec Cam would have, but with only 2 pass routes, they'll have plenty of personnel to double both.  

Will the Panthers get shut down on every play? Of course not, but to claim that they are going to do what no one in the league, including the Panthers, was able to do last season is naive.  

Add all the speed you want, but you sacrifice blocking and increase the pressure from a relentless pass rush.  The Panthers will need to mix it up and get creative and, quite frankly, lucky to find success against this defense.  They will absolutely make plays.  The question is, will they make enough.  Maybe yes, maybe no.  Either way, I'm expecting a close game.

I would highly doubt your corners would be able to single Kelvin or Funchess. Understand Kelvin has a style of play that absolutely bullies secondaries. Seattle's secondary in their prime had a rough few plays against Kelvin, believe a few highlight reel catches were made against them while he got doubled as well. 

Keep thinking your defense is playing last year's team again. Just you wait. I'll visit you on the orangemane after the game :)

[PleaseGetReal]

7 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

@PleaseGetReal are you a Broncos fan?

Because Broncos fans I normally talk to know that everything went their way in that game. I'm not one of those conspiracy guys: I just know we poo'd the bed offensively and so does most of the Denver fanbase.

The ball definitely bounced our way in the game.  But there are a lot of NFL fans who don't understand defensive football, and they think that everything that goes wrong for an offense is a mistake, not realizing that those mistakes are often forced by good defense.  There are plenty of Broncos fans who don't understand how dominant the Denver defense was in that game.  There are also more than a few, I imagine, who are just being polite to you.

Bottom line, I don't believe Carolina crapped the bed entirely.  It's a good team who was forced into mistakes with some poor scheme choices and underestimating the pass rush they were facing.  Blaming the loss entirely on Carolina's mistakes is an insult to both teams.

[Saca312]

2 minutes ago, PleaseGetReal said:

The ball definitely bounced our way in the game.  But there are a lot of NFL fans who don't understand defensive football, and they think that everything that goes wrong for an offense is a mistake, not realizing that those mistakes are often forced by good defense.  There are plenty of Broncos fans who don't understand how dominant the Denver defense was in that game.  There are also more than a few, I imagine, who are just being polite to you.

Bottom line, I don't believe Carolina crapped the bed entirely.  It's a good team who was forced into mistakes with some poor scheme choices and underestimating the pass rush they were facing.  Blaming the loss entirely on Carolina's mistakes is an insult to both teams.

No one said the Denver defense played. They played to win. However, Carolina also had plenty of miscues, and your defense had a lot of things going your way.

I'd dare say our defense was just as deadly that game. Your defense was able to take advantage of field position. Our special teams crapped the bed on that one play, giving you guys ample field. Our defense made big plays in the middle of the field, while yours had opportunities while our offense was near the end-zone. I believe the outcome of the game would've been different had Cotchery caught the ball. Would've been a much closer game for sure, as that infamous "strip-sack" may not have occurred. 

Just shows how refs and field position can dictate a game and give field advantage. I'll say your defense is tough, but to say that they did not have a lot of help is ludicrous. 

 

[PleaseGetReal]

6 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I'd dare say our defense was just as deadly that game. Your defense was able to take advantage of field position. Our special teams crapped the bed on that one play, giving you guys ample field. Our defense made big plays in the middle of the field, while yours had opportunities while our offense was near the end-zone. I believe the outcome of the game would've been different had Cotchery caught the ball. Would've been a much closer game for sure, as that infamous "strip-sack" may not have occurred. 

Just shows how refs and field position can dictate a game and give field advantage. I'll say your defense is tough, but to say that they did not have a lot of help is ludicrous. 

From one perspective, the Panther defense was as deadly.  The trouble is you took away a weapon we weren't counting on.  Nobody was expecting the Broncos offense to perform well, so shutting them down was not really a huge impact.  Panther fans were counting on the offense to have a big night and they got shutdown.  I was expecting the Broncos offense to get shutdown and was hoping they could just avoid screwing up too much.  So while both defense performed well, Denver shutting down Carolina was a much bigger accomplishment, with a much higher impact, than Carolina shutting down Denver.

The special teams screwup only cost you 3 points.  The offense actually lost a yard on the drive before making the FG.  You keep saying our defense "had" opportunities instead of acknowledging that they "made" opportunities.  I don't know why you all cling to an incomplete pass in the first quarter, in your own territory, as the game changer.  You have no idea that a strip sack wouldn't have occurred two plays later and been run back for a TD.  It also implies a softness in the team that they couldn't recover from a simple misque with over 3 quarters of a 0-0 game left to play.

And instead of blaming the refs for the incompletion that they had to call because of the juggle, why not blame Cotchery for not catching it cleanly?  It was in his hands and he botched it.  Stop blaming outside forces when there is accountability to be had on the Panthers team.  

[usmcpanthers]

isnt talib about to be suspended for the plaxico type incident.....