Cam Newton GQ Article "It's not racism we're beyond that." regarding extra scrutiny because he's black.

[Darvinsun]

People kill me with the Michael Jordan and what he can do about the violence bc of his shoes...I think is not his job to raise other people's kids.  People are going to do what they want to do it is their choice. What should he do make a speech what good would that do..It starts at home .Stop looking for someone else to step in and raise your own kids 

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Panthers1990 said:

[mister d]

I love you Cam, but I disagree. Some fans are racist towards him because he's black. Also, we are not beyond racism as a nation. 

He has completely backtracked from his previous statements on this matter. I wonder who got in his head to make him do so.

I'm with you, Cams just taking the high road is all.

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[Jeremy Igo]

sooo.... can I close this thread now or nah?

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Panthers1990 said:

Did you mean to say that Cam hasnt struggled as a black man because he's lived middle class? Really?

I'm not going to argue with a white person about why a black person can struggle with racism in a racist country, middle class or not. You WOULD say some ignorant stuff like that. OF COURSE he can still face racism in this country even while living a middle class life. You basically just told me Cam hasn't had to deal with racism. You just spoke for another black person's experience living in this country. Dont speak on things you know nothing about. You just look ignorant.

Who said he has never faced racism? I didn't. In your misguided attempt to paint me as ignorant because I am weighing in on a topic that only black people feel they can comment on, you spoke for me as if you know me and you don't. I said Cam had a different life than many folks white or black and that his feelings and experiences are his own and that is what he is speaking to. He isn't speaking about racism in general but his own experience as a black quarterback in the NFL. You seem to be the uninformed one jumping to conclusions and trying to paint anyone not taking up the racist gauntlet as a personal affront.

[Jangler]

 

[PhillyB]

black people: "there is structural and systematic racism built into the institutions of this society that lead to higher crime rates, poverty rates, police violence victimhood, a historically-produced lack of wealth in the community, and absolute bias against relative cultural features like language and names. we must all come together to fight these problems so that our society can be truly equal and free."

white people: "what do you mean they're allowed to say the n-word and i'm not? see there's racism against whites too!"

[panthers55]

Just now, Panthers1990 said:

The white person that thinks racism is experienced on both sides (you dont know the definition of racism clearly); the white person that says whites and blacks have the same resources in this country, is telling me, a black woman that lives in this country, that I am not informed. 

Lol bye. 

I don't think you understand racism. It isn't one sided. If a black person says all white people are racist and bigoted that is a racist statement.  And I said the issue was that resources are not equally distributed but it isn't just white versus black but also the haves and the have nots. And I said that socioeconomic status was as big  or bigger a reason that those resources weren't equally distributed as was race which is surely part of the problem but not all of it . So if you want to discuss it stick with the facts. Instead of assuming your sex or race  instantly qualifies as an expert on the ills of the country rather than simply an expert on your own experience and history. 

[PhillyB]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I don't think you understand racism. It isn't one sided. If a black person says all white people are racist and bigoted that is a racist statement.  And I said the issue was that resources are not equally distributed but it isn't just white versus black but also the haves and the have nots. And I said that socioeconomic status was as big  or bigger a reason that those resources weren't equally distributed as was race which is surely part of the problem but not all of it . So if you want to discuss it stick with the facts. Instead of assuming your sex or race  instantly qualifies as an expert on the ills of the country rather than simply an expert on your own experience and history. 

right, but that's racism in a vacuum. i mean it's never ok to make racist statements but let's face it, a racism against white people is black people calling them meanies. racism against black people is a powerful contingent of cultural force that denies them jobs, justice, and equality in measurable outcomes. racism against whites has no power or constituency backing it, but racism against black does.

why not focus on the one doing actual harm?

[Guild]

6 hours ago, PhillyB said:

ehh racism exists more formidably in structural form, which then produces and reproduces bias in indidivuals and society as a whole. individuals are the product of structure.

it's very simple. if we measure outcomes (education, incarceration, lifespan, socio-economic bracket, multi-generational wealth, etc.) and find a disparity in those outcomes when comparing people by race, then we have two possible explanations for that disparity. one is that it's genetic, that certain races have "tendencies" towards violence and laziness. this is the bread and butter of the pseudoscience that perpetuates justification for inequality.  the other explanation is that all people are on an even playing field biologically and cognitively and that inequalities must therefore be a product of unequal social systems that shape those individuals' lives and measurable outcomes.

it's either one or the other. you can't ignore the measurable disparities and the only way you can ignore the cause is if you take the 19th century explanation. that's why the stakes are so high - acknowledge the structural nature of the problem and suddenly you're compelled to care about it and even try to do something about it. and who wants to be bothered with all that?

I agree with your overall message but all people are not on a level playing field biologically or cognitively.  Some people are inherently more gifted in quantifiable ways than others and this is an easily demonstrable phenomenon which transcends socioeconomic status, race, and any other social aspect one might attribute it to.  Some people are Anansi and others are Python.  Also I disagree it is simply black and white as you assert there are nuances and layers to this that are not easily discussed or thought about.

 

Edit:  Had a weird reply bug that included the another has posted pop up in my quote.

[Kevin Greene]

10 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

I love you Cam, but I disagree. Some fans are racist towards him because he's black. Also, we are not beyond racism as a nation. 

He has completely backtracked from his previous statements on this matter. I wonder who got in his head to make him do so.

Cam has seen what a President's inciteful rhetoric has wrought.

There's a better way to do this.

[motocross_cat]

2 minutes ago, Panthers1990 said:

That is NOT racism. You wish so badly that it was though.

You are an ignorant person and have no business speaking on race relations. You are apart of the problem in this country. How proud you must be. Buh-bye.

Cam is saying that being a black QUARTERBACK isnt as big of a deal as it was even a year ago.  He is not saying we are past racist views as a counrty. 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Kevin Greene said:

Cam has seen what a President's inciteful talk has wrought.

There's a better way to do this.

Where did he mention Obama?

And what "inciteful talk" are you referring to?

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, PhillyB said:

right, but that's racism in a vacuum. i mean it's never ok to make racist statements but let's face it, a racism against white people is black people calling them meanies. racism against black people is a powerful contingent of cultural force that denies them jobs, justice, and equality in measurable outcomes. racism against whites has no power or constituency backing it, but racism against black does.

why not focus on the one doing actual harm?

No one is saying racism is not a terrible thing but this whole notion that blacks can't be racist because they have experienced it themselves is a bigger issue than many like you think. At least some of the mistrust and hate toward whites and the system is a deep seeded view that white people can't be trusted and down deep they are all racist and prejudiced. Systematic racism on both sides just divides us and makes us look for differences instead of heals us looking for common ground.