Cam Newton GQ Article "It's not racism we're beyond that." regarding extra scrutiny because he's black.

[d-dave]

While I think it would be great for Cam is take some harder points about racism and discrimination, I understand why he didn't.

I read it that he's focused on football and being a good representative. I don't blame him one bit.

He learned to leave reporters hanging. I about laughed!

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[PhillyB]

15 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

Actually Cam is spot on. Racism as a nation only exists b/c the corporate media is shoving that topic down your throat every single day for whatever political agenda they want to employ, and most people in our nation follow it blindly. I swear I can't go one day without CNN/ABC/MSNBC/FOX NEWS/ etc talking about some racist white cop unjustly killing a black male, when in the last month or so, I've seen 2 videos of white males being shot by officers in almost the exact same circumstances, but not one peep from the media. What does that tell me? It tells me that these huge corporate news outlets have some other ulterior motives in store than just simply "delivering the news." 

Point is, these are isolated incidents. Do racist people exist in America? Of course. With a population of over 360 million, yes you're going to have racists, thieves, rapists, murderers, misogynists, etc. Is racism as big and widespread as they're making it out to be? Of course not. People need to turn off their damn TV's and stop believing every damn thing that's fed to them. 

 

ehh racism exists more formidably in structural form, which then produces and reproduces bias in indidivuals and society as a whole. individuals are the product of structure.

it's very simple. if we measure outcomes (education, incarceration, lifespan, socio-economic bracket, multi-generational wealth, etc.) and find a disparity in those outcomes when comparing people by race, then we have two possible explanations for that disparity. one is that it's genetic, that certain races have "tendencies" towards violence and laziness. this is the bread and butter of the pseudoscience that perpetuates justification for inequality.  the other explanation is that all people are on an even playing field biologically and cognitively and that inequalities must therefore be a product of unequal social systems that shape those individuals' lives and measurable outcomes.

it's either one or the other. you can't ignore the measurable disparities and the only way you can ignore the cause is if you take the 19th century explanation. that's why the stakes are so high - acknowledge the structural nature of the problem and suddenly you're compelled to care about it and even try to do something about it. and who wants to be bothered with all that?

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[Cookie Lyon]

22 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

He's getting blasted for his comments on the hip hop forum I'm apart of. 

Maybe in his million dollar world were past racism, but in my world, and the lives of millions of others, it's still very much alive.

Agreed.

Like I said in my first post on this matter, someone got to him to make him change his tune. It's truly ashame.

[Cookie Lyon]

30 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

Actually Cam is spot on. Racism as a nation only exists b/c the corporate media is shoving that topic down your throat every single day for whatever political agenda they want to employ, and most people in our nation follow it blindly. I swear I can't go one day without CNN/ABC/MSNBC/FOX NEWS/ etc talking about some racist white cop unjustly killing a black male, when in the last month or so, I've seen 2 videos of white males being shot by officers in almost the exact same circumstances, but not one peep from the media. What does that tell me? It tells me that these huge corporate news outlets have some other ulterior motives in store than just simply "delivering the news." 

Point is, these are isolated incidents. Do racist people exist in America? Of course. With a population of over 360 million, yes you're going to have racists, thieves, rapists, murderers, misogynists, etc. Is racism as big and widespread as they're making it out to be? Of course not. People need to turn off their damn TV's and stop believing every damn thing that's fed to them. 

 

SMH

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

ehh racism exists more formidably in structural form, which then produces and reproduces bias in indidivuals and society as a whole. individuals are the product of structure.

it's very simple. if we measure outcomes (education, incarceration, lifespan, socio-economic bracket, multi-generational wealth, etc.) and find a disparity in those outcomes when comparing people by race, then we have two possible explanations for that disparity. one is that it's genetic, that certain races have "tendencies" towards violence and laziness. this is the bread and butter of the pseudoscience that perpetuates justification for inequality.  the other explanation is that all people are on an even playing field biologically and cognitively and that inequalities must therefore be a product of unequal social systems that shape those individuals' lives and measurable outcomes.

it's either one or the other. you can't ignore the measurable disparities and the only way you can ignore the cause is if you take the 19th century explanation. that's why the stakes are so high - acknowledge the structural nature of the problem and suddenly you're compelled to care about it and even try to do something about it. and who wants to be bothered with all that?

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But if you look at the criteria you measured as the issues, race isn't the largest factor, it is just as much or more defined by socioeconomics. Poor people whether white black, blue or polka dotted all have less access to employment, education,  have higher incarceration rates and so on.  I think by defining primarily as a racist issue it ignores a huge factor which is at the root of the problem. Is race also a factor? Absolutely but if it were the primary reason then it wouldn't be prevalent for example with poor white or Hispanic communities and it surely is. By defining the issue by one criteria it ignores all the other causes which may be even bigger issues.

[PhillyB]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

But if you look at the criteria you measured as the issues, race isn't the largest factor, it is just as much or more defined by socioeconomics. Poor people whether white black, blue or polka dotted all have less access to employment, education,  have higher incarceration rates and so on.  I think by defining primarily as a racist issue it ignores a huge factor which is at the root of the problem. Is race also a factor? Absolutely but if it were the primary reason then it wouldn't be prevalent for example with poor white or Hispanic communities and it surely is. By defining the issue by one criteria it ignores all the other causes which may be even bigger issues.

agree, but if you control for race and socio-economic bracket there's a much higher percentage of black people in those brackets. control for race alone and you still find structural bias. additional lesson: black people and poor white people alike come out on the back end of social structure, which is ironic given it's poor, uneducated whites who are always leading the charge against black people. divide and conquer worked on poor whites 150 years ago and it still does today

[fieryprophet]

14 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

But if you look at the criteria you measured as the issues, race isn't the largest factor, it is just as much or more defined by socioeconomics. Poor people whether white black, blue or polka dotted all have less access to employment, education,  have higher incarceration rates and so on.  I think by defining primarily as a racist issue it ignores a huge factor which is at the root of the problem. Is race also a factor? Absolutely but if it were the primary reason then it wouldn't be prevalent for example with poor white or Hispanic communities and it surely is. By defining the issue by one criteria it ignores all the other causes which may be even bigger issues.

Socioeconomics definitely does play a huge role, and more of one as the legacy of "active" racism declines. However, socioeconomic status can be locked in due to actions that are "passively" racist, such as employers preferring to hire candidates with white-sounding names over black ones despite identical resumes. That means there is a social problem that is collectively disenfranchising certain races in ways that it does not others, and as such should be addressed (preferably in a fundamental way that solves the source of the problem rather than assigning blame.) People who want to say racism doesn't exist point to things like no more lynchings or integrated schools as if they are a hallmark as progress, when the reality is those things are the baseline for a non-barbaric society, not a post-racial utopia. It's only when the only factors that determine your future in this country are your personal merits and character that we can finally say that racism is a dead topic.

[OneBadCat]

Cam is just too gracious and classy to tell it like it is. No, it is racism.

Cam is doing the exact same sht Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Tony Romo do. He just does it in his own way. But no, he's the "running QB", or some bs about not being able to read a defense.

[saints4lifeagain]

Cam gives the American people entirely too much credit...

[TheRed]

It sounds like after the way the media treated him following the Super Bowl that Cam is not willing to give them the satisfaction of months of commentary to blast him with.

He gives back to the community on the regular, so whether you agree with his stance or not, he at the very least puts his money where his mouth is to actually really help people.

[Pox 08]

Is this Cam's subtle way of telling Michael Bennett to go fug himself,  for suggesting that Cam needs to be a social justice warrior.?

[Pox 08]

That's my qb.         

[scpanther22]

16 minutes ago, Pox 08 said:

Is this Cam's subtle way of telling Michael Bennett to go fug himself,  for suggesting that Cam needs to be a social justice warrior.?

By making himself look uniformed?

[Pox 08]

3 minutes ago, scpanther22 said:

By making himself look uniformed?

Doesn't matter.  He's not drawing a hard line in the sand and committing to one side or the other.

You view him as uninformed..........I view him as just not wanting to participate in this racial poo going around all over our country. ..and just saying whatever,  to end that line of questioning being directed at him.        

 

Racism was a major topic the reporters were hounding him with during our SB Week.