All in with Shula!

[ThPantherFan]

Shula is no genius.  Cam has made Shula look good.

[Burnout189]

Call me cautiously optimistic.

[teeray]

Almost every fanbase hates their OC and nitpicks the fug out of them.

We are no different.  Main difference is some people here made up their mind before he even called his first play and refuse to back down and admit they may have been wrong

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, teeray said:

Main difference is some people here made up their mind before he even called his first play and refuse to back down and admit they may have been wrong

Teeray, to be fair, Shula has added enough fuel to the fire after his first play call to cause a four-alarm fire. He has grown in the position.

[teeray]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Teeray, to be fair, Shula has added enough fuel to the fire after his first play call to cause a four-alarm fire. He has grown in the position.

Meh.  Problem is we as fans get to see a play work ot not work and then nitpick why and who to blame.  So we get to judge with hindsight without knowing the reasoning of why a play may or may not have been called and/or if the mistake was in execution by the players.

These people obsess over failed plays and deflect credit of successes in order to keep their status quo of blaming Shula for everything bad and crediting others for everything good.

Even last year a large contingency of fans wanted to give all the credit to Cam because he calls audibles to protect themselves from admitting Shula overall has done a good job.

We have had fairly efficient offenses every year except the year Cam was playing hurt with a bad ankle, bad ribs, and eventually a broken back.

 

[CRA]

6 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Shula stood in the way of Cam for more than a season. Things were horrible until the Vikings game in 2014 when the coaches threw in the towel with a 3-8-1 record on their coaching philosophy of keep it close, run until you are behind by a couple scores, and make Cam a pocket QB. Thankfully they tossed out the front office experiments/disasters. They gave up on that crap and let Cam be Cam and they let the defense take gambles when they saw certain keys from the opposing offense.

Essentially, the coaches got out of the players' way and now they are winning. I am glad they canned that garbage Shula was running in 2013 and most of 2014.

As long as the core players from 2011/2012 keep playing their game in spite of the coaching and front office the Panthers will keep winning. I just hope they did not get rid of too many of the key players to keep winning.

You do realize we went 12-4 in 2013 running that "garbage".

as for 2014, Cam couldn't even suit up week 1 because of injury.  When he took the field in week 2 he was hampered.  Hard to claim Shula was holding him back when they were working around him bum foot. 

 

[imminent rogaine]

17 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

You have to admit that those play are very creative just highly ineffective.

no one expects to see kelvin on an end around until you see it.

I freely admit that he's had his fair share of creative plays.... you don't get points for being creative. You get points for calling plays that work.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

55 minutes ago, CRA said:

You do realize we went 12-4 in 2013 running that "garbage".

as for 2014, Cam couldn't even suit up week 1 because of injury.  When he took the field in week 2 he was hampered.  Hard to claim Shula was holding him back when they were working around him bum foot. 

 

my favorite part was the implication that the '11/'12 teams were some well of talent that's being diluted because they have the likes of KB, KK, star, norwell, turner, and kurt coleman (among others) around them now.

it's more like 7 or 8 players out of 53 from those years that are worth keeping around

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, teeray said:

Meh.  Problem is we as fans get to see a play work ot not work and then nitpick why and who to blame.  So we get to judge with hindsight without knowing the reasoning of why a play may or may not have been called and/or if the mistake was in execution by the players.

These people obsess over failed plays and deflect credit of successes in order to keep their status quo of blaming Shula for everything bad and crediting others for everything good.

Even last year a large contingency of fans wanted to give all the credit to Cam because he calls audibles to protect themselves from admitting Shula overall has done a good job.

We have had fairly efficient offenses every year except the year Cam was playing hurt with a bad ankle, bad ribs, and eventually a broken back.

 

Shula has done a good job, just not a great one. I have seen D-will and Tolbert run into a pile and get knocked down on too many successive plays too many times to count (remember being stoned at home by Harbaugh and Frisco). You can't have Bersin out there when the game is on the line on late downs (ala in Seattle). When the playoffs come, you have to be at your best, because the best are likely bringing their best. Nitpicking perhaps, but some things are pretty obvious. Jerrislow on a fly right, as another example, or abandoning the run (Artis-Payne) during the Falcons loss last year.

I get that it's hard to get your offense going when players aren't executing, but you just can't keep calling the same plays over and over again and expect execution when players have proven that it's not working. 

That has been my main issue with Shula, and to a lesser extent Rivera. You gotta go deep within the playbook when things are going awry. 

But no one is perfect, and Shula's offenses have been efficient enough to get the job done during the regular season.  

I do find it kind of odd though that there is this narrative that we had the number one offense. I guess, if you want to look at it simplistically. But, the fact is that our was 11th in total. We should be thankful for our defense.

 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 hour ago, imminent rogaine said:

I freely admit that he's had his fair share of creative plays.... you don't get points for being creative. You get points for calling plays that work.

The thing is, even if you have a great QB and a great OC, you still need all 11 players to do the right thing for a play to work, and sometimes it still doesn't work if the defense makes a good play. Also, there are a lot of plays that are designed to set up other plays later in the game. Just because a play gets a 1yd gain, doesn't mean it was a wasted play or a bad call.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Shula has done a good job, just not a great one. I have seen D-will and Tolbert run into a pile and get knocked down on too many successive plays too many times to count (remember being stoned at home by Harbaugh and Frisco). You can't have Bersin out there when the game is on the line on late downs (ala in Seattle). When the playoffs come, you have to be at your best, because the best are likely bringing their best. Nitpicking perhaps, but some things are pretty obvious. Jerrislow on a fly right, as another example, or abandoning the run (Artis-Payne) during the Falcons loss last year.

I get that it's hard to get your offense going when players aren't executing, but you just can't keep calling the same plays over and over again and expect execution when players have proven that it's not working. 

That has been my main issue with Shula, and to a lesser extent Rivera. You gotta go deep within the playbook when things are going awry. 

But no one is perfect, and Shula's offenses have been efficient enough to get the job done during the regular season.  

I do find it kind of odd though that there is this narrative that we had the number one offense. I guess, if you want to look at it simplistically. But, the fact is that our was 11th in total. We should be thankful for our defense..

You just can't respond without some kind of criticism. Lol

As for the 11th in total yards and number 1 scoring, total yards is a crap statistic. Teams way behind will rack up lots of yards but are they meaningful yards when it matters. Truth is we were number 1 in points and very efficient. Did the defense help? I would hope so, but that is not a takeaway from the offense. They work together as this is a team effort.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

The thing is, even if you have a great QB and a great OC, you still need all 11 players to do the right thing for a play to work, and sometimes it still doesn't work if the defense makes a good play. Also, there are a lot of plays that are designed to set up other plays later in the game. Just because a play gets a 1yd gain, doesn't mean it was a wasted play or a bad call.

Hell, look at GB last year.  They went to a new O play caller and the offensive was extremely disfunctional most of the year.  Rodgers IMO is the best overall passer in the game right now.  Talent at QB doesn't make playcallers 

[L-TownCat]

5 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

I freely admit that he's had his fair share of creative plays.... you don't get points for being creative. You get points for calling plays that work.

You're right, I was being facetious.

[Razeyfingers]

LoL this thread. I thought Shula did well last year being unpredictable and working Brown and Ginn creatively into the offense.