Why do opposing fan bases and fans think the Panthers don't pay their players?

[Jangler]

Debt is the American way, so that's all some people understand. 

Budget! What the fug is a budget?!

[Seltzer]

Sometimes not paying a guy is a way of expressing an organization's philosophy. The Patriots, Steelers, and Packers have let guys go and for the most part eschewed free agency for years. Some times it's been a function of the salary cap but sometimes it hasn't. All 3 of these teams have won Super Bowls over the last 10 years.

I for one am glad we are becoming more like that. It obviously requires a franchise quarterback and stable coaching/ ownership to operate that way, but it is proven model for long term success.

The Giants were operating like that until they missed the playoffs 4 straight years, and they won 2 Super Bowls.

Even if we take a step back this year in terms of not making the Super Bowl, the Panthers are being operated like a top notch professional organization in both coaching and management. It is a great time to be a Panthers fan.

[CPantherKing]

15 hours ago, thefuzz said:

You get your QB, shore up the trenches, give the QB some weapons, and keep some cap flexibility, and you have a shot at the playoffs almost every single year.

And a shot at the playoffs almost every single year is a success? We all know that is not true. It is about hoisting the Lombardi Trophy and being the best of the best. It is not about being beat by the runner-up. I never see a fan happy they lost in the playoffs to a winning team that continues to dominate their division year after year. I do see a fair amount of fans take pride in a strong season with their final loss to the eventual SB champions.

If this were true, then many of you would never have trouble going back to watch the SB loss, the Seahawks loss in 2014, or the 49ers loss in 2013 again and again and again. The fact is that many of you never want to stare that failure in the face again. So, you choose to ignore it and just hold on to a record or a single moment for a season that was a failure. However, you will be the first one to find great joy in the redemption of beating that team that caused your team to endure a significant failure.

15 hours ago, KSpan said:

There are fans that consider every season without an SB win an abject failure devoid of anything positive or enjoyable.

Do we not expect the players to look at anything less than a SB as a failure? There is nothing wrong with failure as long as you learn to rise from it. Failures have value. Looking back at what you did so well and hanging your hat on it is the formula for a loser. As a fan, you can treat it like consumption of entertainment or you can treat it like a sport to be passionate about. If you are a fan, than you are "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal". A Panthers SB championship is all I care about for this team. 15-1 is simply nostalgia. There will never be a legacy left for a 15-1 team that could not cement it with a SB victory. You do not hear any other team's fan touting their greatest season without a SB victory. Most of the people posting are nostalgic spectators. Sorry, that is not a fan. Anyone touting a 7-8-1 division championship to promote legacy highlights this pointless attempt at nostalgia. That is a losing season that resulted in a failed playoff run as a consolation.

14 hours ago, Nate Dogg said:

Robert Kraft and Belichick have been doing this exact thing for years. They've also been to the playoffs 13 times since 2000.

No they have not. The Patriots accumulate picks in the draft to build out a team. The Panthers burn their picks for 5 players who have to compete with UDFA's and used up vets. The Patriots pay up for big name key players to lean on for a SB championship, The Panthers do not spend a dime on a key player that will make the difference to win a SB. Do you think the Patriots organization values anything less than a SB? Look at how they toss out their 16-0 season when speaking about their legacy.

14 hours ago, Nick_81 said:

Well, at least we're not Buffalo...

You would think many of the posters here would love to be Buffalo. So many great memories for a perennial loser when it mattered the most. The Bills are not known as great. They are not known as having a championship legacy for all their division wins and playoff appearances. They are known as the biggest perennial loser of all time. Same goes for the Vikings. Thankfully, they were supplanted by the Bills. I am sure the Bills fans would love for the Panthers to supplant their legacy, and all of you would just love that with all those warm fuzzy memories of wins from a major disappointment of a season.

[KendrickPanther]

Smitty did not put fans in the seats. Winning put fans in the seats. I love Steve but that move was not a terrible one. I would have prefered to have J No for one more year. But I'm okay with Gettleman using that money on other commodities. That is just the thing.... we do spend our money. We just cant resign all 5 of our All Pros is a 2 year span.

[KSpan]

4 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

And a shot at the playoffs almost every single year is a success? We all know that is not true. It is about hoisting the Lombardi Trophy and being the best of the best. It is not about being beat by the runner-up. I never see a fan happy they lost in the playoffs to a winning team that continues to dominate their division year after year. I do see a fair amount of fans take pride in a strong season with their final loss to the eventual SB champions.

If this were true, then many of you would never have trouble going back to watch the SB loss, the Seahawks loss in 2014, or the 49ers loss in 2013 again and again and again. The fact is that many of you never want to stare that failure in the face again. So, you choose to ignore it and just hold on to a record or a single moment for a season that was a failure. However, you will be the first one to find great joy in the redemption of beating that team that caused your team to endure a significant failure.

Do we not expect the players to look at anything less than a SB as a failure? There is nothing wrong with failure as long as you learn to rise from it. Failures have value. Looking back at what you did so well and hanging your hat on it is the formula for a loser. As a fan, you can treat it like consumption of entertainment or you can treat it like a sport to be passionate about. If you are a fan, than you are "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal". A Panthers SB championship is all I care about for this team. 15-1 is simply nostalgia. There will never be a legacy left for a 15-1 team that could not cement it with a SB victory. You do not hear any other team's fan touting their greatest season without a SB victory. Most of the people posting are nostalgic spectators. Sorry, that is not a fan. Anyone touting a 7-8-1 division championship to promote legacy highlights this pointless attempt at nostalgia. That is a losing season that resulted in a failed playoff run as a consolation.

No they have not. The Patriots accumulate picks in the draft to build out a team. The Panthers burn their picks for 5 players who have to compete with UDFA's and used up vets. The Patriots pay up for big name key players to lean on for a SB championship, The Panthers do not spend a dime on a key player that will make the difference to win a SB. Do you think the Patriots organization values anything less than a SB? Look at how they toss out their 16-0 season when speaking about their legacy.

You would think many of the posters here would love to be Buffalo. So many great memories for a perennial loser when it mattered the most. The Bills are not known as great. They are not known as having a championship legacy for all their division wins and playoff appearances. They are known as the biggest perennial loser of all time. Same goes for the Vikings. Thankfully, they were supplanted by the Bills. I am sure the Bills fans would love for the Panthers to supplant their legacy, and all of you would just love that with all those warm fuzzy memories of wins from a major disappointment of a season.

Oh good god man. Enjoying a fantastic journey while still recognizing that an end goal wasn't achieved, be it winning an SB or ANYTHING in life, and continuously striving for better are not mutually exclusive. Life would really suck to be so black and white. Drop the melodrama.

Regarding the Patriots, yes, they actually have. Belichick has traditionally been a pretty mediocre drafter when it comes to recognizing talent, compounded by always picking late, and he compensates by having more picks; they need that many picks to stock up, and it's an approach that fits him well. So far, Gettleman has killed it in the draft, requiring fewer picks to acquire the same level and amount of talent His approach has yielded unprecedented success for a franchise that has never had it and stocked the team from to (at many positions) bottom... I bet Belichick's approach in doinng things like trading Moss and Seymour was viewed as pretty insane at first as well. Regarding the 'value anything less than 16-0' comment of course everyone wants to win, but even the Patriots don't win every year. In fact, after their incredible, and arguably questionable, success in the early 2000s they won exactly 1 in the last 11 seasons and lost twice. You can't win them all but I bet that they enjoyed an awful lot about those seasons.

And name one player the Patriots have 'paid up' for besides Revis. I'll wait for quite a while, becuase Belichick pays a fair value to players who want to be in a winning organization (hint: Brady could sure make a lot more than $14MM if he was so inclined). Gettleman has paid Cam, Luke, TD, Kalil, and Coleman so far while simultaneously killing it in his drafts. Working fairly well so far.

Regarding your Bills tangent, I've nothing to say there because losing 4 consecutive Super Bowls is pretty remarkable. Carolina used to be on that plane of lower-tier teams but is now in the perennial contenders, a happening that doesn't just coincidentally align with the arrival of an FO that you seem to think has a losing formula. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

When I think about us letting talent go I always remember what Gettleman says.

YOU ARE NEVER JUST ONE PLAYER AWAY.

Throwing money at a problem isn't always the solution.  Regardless of the job. 

I loved Josh.  He was fun and he made some crazy plays.  Saved our season more than once. 

BUT I also felt he benefitted from a scheme that fit his talents.  Or should I say we drafted him because his skillset fit our scheme.

Bradberry and Worley are good examples.  They fit what we do.  They may not be as good as Josh but they definitely are playing like they belong. 

 

[tiger7_88]

7 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

And a shot at the playoffs almost every single year is a success? We all know that is not true. It is about hoisting the Lombardi Trophy and being the best of the best. It is not about being beat by the runner-up. I never see a fan happy they lost in the playoffs to a winning team that continues to dominate their division year after year. I do see a fair amount of fans take pride in a strong season with their final loss to the eventual SB champions.

If this were true, then many of you would never have trouble going back to watch the SB loss, the Seahawks loss in 2014, or the 49ers loss in 2013 again and again and again. The fact is that many of you never want to stare that failure in the face again. So, you choose to ignore it and just hold on to a record or a single moment for a season that was a failure. However, you will be the first one to find great joy in the redemption of beating that team that caused your team to endure a significant failure.

Do we not expect the players to look at anything less than a SB as a failure? There is nothing wrong with failure as long as you learn to rise from it. Failures have value. Looking back at what you did so well and hanging your hat on it is the formula for a loser. As a fan, you can treat it like consumption of entertainment or you can treat it like a sport to be passionate about. If you are a fan, than you are "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal". A Panthers SB championship is all I care about for this team. 15-1 is simply nostalgia. There will never be a legacy left for a 15-1 team that could not cement it with a SB victory. You do not hear any other team's fan touting their greatest season without a SB victory. Most of the people posting are nostalgic spectators. Sorry, that is not a fan. Anyone touting a 7-8-1 division championship to promote legacy highlights this pointless attempt at nostalgia. That is a losing season that resulted in a failed playoff run as a consolation.

No they have not. The Patriots accumulate picks in the draft to build out a team. The Panthers burn their picks for 5 players who have to compete with UDFA's and used up vets. The Patriots pay up for big name key players to lean on for a SB championship, The Panthers do not spend a dime on a key player that will make the difference to win a SB. Do you think the Patriots organization values anything less than a SB? Look at how they toss out their 16-0 season when speaking about their legacy.

You would think many of the posters here would love to be Buffalo. So many great memories for a perennial loser when it mattered the most. The Bills are not known as great. They are not known as having a championship legacy for all their division wins and playoff appearances. They are known as the biggest perennial loser of all time. Same goes for the Vikings. Thankfully, they were supplanted by the Bills. I am sure the Bills fans would love for the Panthers to supplant their legacy, and all of you would just love that with all those warm fuzzy memories of wins from a major disappointment of a season.

[Nate Dogg]

8 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers burn their picks for 5 players who have to compete with UDFA's and used up vets. The Patriots pay up for big name key players to lean on for a SB championship

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Nate Dogg said:

I'll translate for you.

8 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Please please pleeeeease pay attention to me.

 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

he brings up this "bah we burn draft picks on guys who have to come compete with UDFAs and used up vets" thing like that's something really weird or shameful.  wow, rookies have to compete with vets and the quality UDFAs get a fair shake too, oh the humanity!

if you're getting quality starters it doesn't matter where they come from.  if the 2014 draft was held today you can bet your ass norwell is gone in the top three rounds and trai turner is probably a first round pick alongside kelvin.  how's that for value.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

he brings up this "bah we burn draft picks on guys who have to come compete with UDFAs and used up vets" thing like that's something really weird or shameful.  wow, rookies have to compete with vets and the quality UDFAs get a fair shake too, oh the humanity!

if you're getting quality starters it doesn't matter where they come from.  if the 2014 draft was held today you can bet your ass norwell is gone in the top three rounds and trai turner is probably a first round pick alongside kelvin.  how's that for value.

He probably has trouble getting info on all that way up in Winston-Salem.

[panthers55]

There is some truth to their assertions. For the past several years we were cap strapped and did pick up guys on the cheap and we let a bunch of guys go and didn't pay what they were worth. We have also spent a lot of money on some players like Cam and Luke so it is a mixed bag. I can see how people who don't know our team or philosophy would think we are cheap. And frankly until we signed Coleman I wasn't convinced we would sign folks either. And I still think it is a big mistake if we don't sign KK. So I can surely see why other fans say that.

[L-TownCat]

10 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

And a shot at the playoffs almost every single year is a success? We all know that is not true. It is about hoisting the Lombardi Trophy and being the best of the best. It is not about being beat by the runner-up. I never see a fan happy they lost in the playoffs to a winning team that continues to dominate their division year after year. I do see a fair amount of fans take pride in a strong season with their final loss to the eventual SB champions.

If this were true, then many of you would never have trouble going back to watch the SB loss, the Seahawks loss in 2014, or the 49ers loss in 2013 again and again and again. The fact is that many of you never want to stare that failure in the face again. So, you choose to ignore it and just hold on to a record or a single moment for a season that was a failure. However, you will be the first one to find great joy in the redemption of beating that team that caused your team to endure a significant failure.

Do we not expect the players to look at anything less than a SB as a failure? There is nothing wrong with failure as long as you learn to rise from it. Failures have value. Looking back at what you did so well and hanging your hat on it is the formula for a loser. As a fan, you can treat it like consumption of entertainment or you can treat it like a sport to be passionate about. If you are a fan, than you are "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal". A Panthers SB championship is all I care about for this team. 15-1 is simply nostalgia. There will never be a legacy left for a 15-1 team that could not cement it with a SB victory. You do not hear any other team's fan touting their greatest season without a SB victory. Most of the people posting are nostalgic spectators. Sorry, that is not a fan. Anyone touting a 7-8-1 division championship to promote legacy highlights this pointless attempt at nostalgia. That is a losing season that resulted in a failed playoff run as a consolation.

No they have not. The Patriots accumulate picks in the draft to build out a team. The Panthers burn their picks for 5 players who have to compete with UDFA's and used up vets. The Patriots pay up for big name key players to lean on for a SB championship, The Panthers do not spend a dime on a key player that will make the difference to win a SB. Do you think the Patriots organization values anything less than a SB? Look at how they toss out their 16-0 season when speaking about their legacy.

You would think many of the posters here would love to be Buffalo. So many great memories for a perennial loser when it mattered the most. The Bills are not known as great. They are not known as having a championship legacy for all their division wins and playoff appearances. They are known as the biggest perennial loser of all time. Same goes for the Vikings. Thankfully, they were supplanted by the Bills. I am sure the Bills fans would love for the Panthers to supplant their legacy, and all of you would just love that with all those warm fuzzy memories of wins from a major disappointment of a season.

All of that just to prove you're a goober?  We get it dude, you hate the FO and the team when they don't win the SB,

Then go away till we win one.  Easy peasy.  You won't miss it, and you won't be missed either.  Win/win.

[JARROD]

Did I miss a vote?

Last time I checked the GM doesn't call one.

So opposing fan bases saying "you guys" this and that is really hilarious.

We went from overpaying and not winning to being sensible and winning.

Whether it was the right move to let Josh walk or a mistake remains to be seen. If that money saved makes us a more complete team and gets us back to the Super Bowl and our NFC South dominance continues,.. Then it was right.

Its not really what your team does well, it's more about the amount of mistakes. If one person is paid too much then it causes mistakes elsewhere and loses ballgames.

Many teams make that mistake over and over again and then end up out of the playoffs and perennial losers