Anyone who blames Jake Delhomme for this loss...

[HGG]

he really didn't play well the entire game. I had seats in the front row of the upper deck in the endzone, so I got to watch it from the angle the coaches examine tape.

Jake was badly missing reads consistently throughout the game. Three were terribly egregious.

On the first pass he forced in to triple coverage to smith, Moose was wide open right behind him for a TD.

On a force to Dante, Steve Smith was streaking wide open down the sideline.

There was one more I remember making a note about that he checked down to for some reason.

Jake's also terrible at pre-snap reads of the defense, but that's nothing new.

also now he's adding mind numbingly bad plays to his repertoire. he should have been benched after that underhand flip rubbish.

so yeah at the end of the day he kinda has okay numbers but that has far more to do with the falcons defense than it does with jake. thanks for reading my post hope it was informative.

And how much time did he have on each of those throws. There are other variables at play than just whether a receiver is streaking down a sideline.

My guess is that when a QB feels or sees the pocket closing, there comes a point when what the QB sees at that time is where he goes with the ball.

If he had 2 more seconds, maybe he'd have seen Moose or Steve, but if he sees the worse option on three one-thousand, that's where he's going with it.

Doesn't mean he was necessarily "missing" reads just because the "SITUATION" doesn't present a whole lot of time to throw the ball on some of those plays.

Yes, he made a lot of boneheaded plays throughout the game, but people who can't remember ANYTHING but that interception, and think it is the SOLE REASON the Panthers lost this game...those people are IGNORANT.

[Fiz]

Fiz, how exactly do you know what reads Jake is to make on any given play?

Did you also have a copy of the playbook in your lap and a headset on your head? I'm going to say no.

do you know what it means to make a read?

to come to the line and read the defense? to point out the mike? to adjust your blockers? to notice obvious blitz and change the pass plays? to audible out of play action in obvious blitz situations? to adjust the line?

all these things are noticeable to someone who knows what they're looking for. just like being able to spot a quarterback making their progressions.

[Munkey]

That last INT didn't seem bad unless you watched the replay and how much time Jake had and the route Steve ran.

Jake waited until Steve Smith got to his end route after going right to fake defenders then going to the left side of the endzone. Jake was watching him the whole way and instead of pre-throwing to where Steve would have been for an easy TD, he waited, waited, waited, waited and then Steve hit his end point of the route turned around and then Jake threw it.

Sorry, but I see more talent in high school QB's who know where the route will end and have the ball there for their receiver before the defender can read the QB's eyes and jump the Steve Smith that was standing still for way too long.

I couldn't care less that it was intercepted, but if Jake had 1 ounce of QB talent in him, he would have thrown to Smith while he was digging on the route, not when he's a standing target and easy to defend. Jake had all the time in the world in the pocket, you think the defenders aren't going to go and stand behind a guy that is standing still?

[Fiz]

And how much time did he have on each of those throws. There are other variables at play than just whether a receiver is streaking down a sideline.

he wasn't pressured, and actually faced very little pressure until they started sending the house at him and he was unable to adjust.

If he had 2 more seconds, maybe he'd have seen Moose or Steve, but if he sees the worse option on three one-thousand, that's where he's going with it.

on both of them there was no one near him.

Yes, he made a lot of boneheaded plays throughout the game, but people who can't remember ANYTHING but that interception, and think it is the SOLE REASON the Panthers lost this game...those people are IGNORANT.

you're not talking to one of those people.

[Delhommey]

I give Jake a C+ today.

[Carl Spackler]

That last INT didn't seem bad unless you watched the replay and how much time Jake had and the route Steve ran.

Jake waited until Steve Smith got to his end route after going right to fake defenders then going to the left side of the endzone. Jake was watching him the whole way and instead of pre-throwing to where Steve would have been for an easy TD, he waited, waited, waited, waited and then Steve hit his end point of the route turned around and then Jake threw it.

Sorry, but I see more talent in high school QB's who know where the route will end and have the ball there for their receiver before the defender can read the QB's eyes and jump the Steve Smith that was standing still for way too long.

I couldn't care less that it was intercepted, but if Jake had 1 ounce of QB talent in him, he would have thrown to Smith while he was digging on the route, not when he's a standing target and easy to defend. Jake had all the time in the world in the pocket, you think the defenders aren't going to go and stand behind a guy that is standing still?

Why does it matter anyway? You gotta take a shot on 4th down, it didn't work. To say someone who threw for 300 yards has no talent severely hampers your credibility.

[frash.exe]

funny thing is Jake fans will use just the sheer volume of passing yards as reason enough to say "he's still got it".

Why does it matter anyway? You gotta take a shot on 4th down, it didn't work. To say someone who threw for 300 yards has no talent severely hampers your credibility.

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[Munkey]

Why does it matter anyway? You gotta take a shot on 4th down, it didn't work. To say someone who threw for 300 yards has no talent severely hampers your credibility.

What does it matter anyway? Ummm ummmm THE GAME maybe?

Do you read what you type? rofl.

[HGG]

Let's break it down...people who hate Jake will manipulate anything to prove he sucks...people who like him will manipulate anything to prove he's good. It's realistically in the middle.

I couldn't give a rat's arse whether Jake is "GOOD OR BAD." That's sounds almost as retarded as the Frank Luntz approved talking points for George W. Bush to label global players "GOOD OR EVIL."

What I care about is what makes sense and what is true.

To blame Jake Delhomme for this loss as if there wasn't enough SUCKING going on in this game by the Defense for 2 1/2 quarters, and from other players on offense, before they all decided to show up midway through the second half, is just stupid.

If all a person can see is that one "Interception" as if the team wasn't losing without it and wouldn't have still loss had it been an incomplete pass instead, and without recognizing that that's a throw that Smith and Delhomme do all the time with success, then that person is just blaming the person that threw it, as if no other factors were at play.

I suppose these people's minds are so simple that they don't believe that blocking occurs on play or that routes are run to confuse defenders, because all that occurs in their minds is the throw and the catch, nothing else helps you get to that point.

There were no breakdowns in anything else then. Those 3 or 4 Falcons that were about to all smash into Delhomme from different angles, they were not really on the field, because only the passer and catcher were. *sarcasm*

[KillerKat]

Fiz was at the f**king game. He knows more about what happened than those sitting on their ass watching the game at home.

[ckroush]

How often do you see Jake changing the plays or changing formations on his own? Not very much!

He's not Peyton F*cking Manning.

Of course not, Peyton Manning is a great QB.

[KillerKat]

I couldn't give a rat's arse whether Jake is "GOOD OR BAD." That's sounds almost as retarded as the Frank Luntz approved talking points for George W. Bush to label global players "GOOD OR EVIL."

What I care about is what makes sense and what is true.

To blame Jake Delhomme for this loss as if there wasn't enough SUCKING going on in this game by the Defense for 2 1/2 quarters, and from other players on offense, before they all decided to show up midway through the second half, is just stupid.

If all a person can see is that one "Interception" as if the team wasn't losing without it and wouldn't have still loss had it been an incomplete pass instead, and without recognizing that that's a throw that Smith and Delhomme do all the time with success, then that person is just blaming the person that threw it, as if no other factors were at play.

I suppose these people's minds are so simple that they don't believe that blocking occurs on play or that routes are run to confuse defenders, because all that occurs in their minds is the throw and the catch, nothing else helps you get to that point.

There were no breakdowns in anything else then. Those 3 or 4 Falcons that were about to all smash into Delhomme from different angles, they were not really on the field, because only the passer and catcher were. *sarcasm*

Nobody is blaming this loss on Delhomme. Ive only seen 2 dumbass threads by dumbass posters that did. Other than that, everyone else is saying he played decent or average, but not great. Like I've said before if the Falcons defenders didnt drop 2 easy INTs that where thrown right at them, it wouldve been yet another terrible game for Delhomme.

[neverlosethefeeling]

Of course not, Peyton Manning is a great QB.

Peyton Manning is asked to do completely different things than Jake is. That is a pass-first offense. Peyton would be a waste in our system. A John Fox-led team will never be pass-first. And a Peyton-Manning led offense will never be run-first.

Ignorance, FTW, huh ckroush?

[Carl Spackler]

That last INT didn't seem bad unless you watched the replay and how much time Jake had and the route Steve ran.

Jake waited until Steve Smith got to his end route after going right to fake defenders then going to the left side of the endzone. Jake was watching him the whole way and instead of pre-throwing to where Steve would have been for an easy TD, he waited, waited, waited, waited and then Steve hit his end point of the route turned around and then Jake threw it.

Sorry, but I see more talent in high school QB's who know where the route will end and have the ball there for their receiver before the defender can read the QB's eyes and jump the Steve Smith that was standing still for way too long.

I couldn't care less that it was intercepted, but if Jake had 1 ounce of QB talent in him, he would have thrown to Smith while he was digging on the route, not when he's a standing target and easy to defend. Jake had all the time in the world in the pocket, you think the defenders aren't going to go and stand behind a guy that is standing still?

What does it matter anyway? Ummm ummmm THE GAME maybe?

Do you read what you type? rofl.

What difference does your bitching about it make, honestly? They've got to forget about it and prep for Dallas.