Panthers lead the league in minority coachers

[Salescall]

I have been a regular member of this site since before the server crash and normally don't post unless I feel I have something to contribute that's worthwhile. Please don't take this post as being racist because it's not meant to be. I personally have a problem with the Rooney Rule. I understand how it is supposed to get more minorities involved in coaching throughout the league, and that minorities haven't traditionally had a large part in coaching in the NFL. I am of the personal belief that you hire the best people available to make your business/team successful regardless of race. The owners and front office have no problem doing it with the athletes they bring into their teams.There is no way they wouldn't do it with coaching as well. Bringing in the best people makes you successful...bottom line. The Rooney Rule may actually hinder bringing in coaches who would make a team more successful if your racial makeup isn't currently on par with the rest of the league. I'm not saying that white coaches are better than minority coaches, but that the competitive nature of the NFL as a business creates a natural demand for hiring the best. 

To add a few stats to the argument..The current makeup of minority players is 71%, with white players making up only 29%. Imagine the product we would have if the NFL instituted the Rooney Rule in reverse for the athletes, making it more racially balanced. It's certainly not fair that there are less white players playing than minority players, but the reality is that black athletes are bigger, stronger, faster on average than white athletes. The same system of economics that applies to athletes naturally would apply to coaches, or the teams wouldn't be successful/profitable. Get rid of the Rooney rule and quit making race an issue.

[PhillyB]

10 minutes ago, Salescall said:

I have been a regular member of this site since before the server crash and normally don't post unless I feel I have something to contribute that's worthwhile. Please don't take this post as being racist because it's not meant to be. I personally have a problem with the Rooney Rule. I understand how it is supposed to get more minorities involved in coaching throughout the league, and that minorities haven't traditionally had a large part in coaching in the NFL. I am of the personal belief that you hire the best people available to make your business/team successful regardless of race. The owners and front office have no problem doing it with the athletes they bring into their teams.There is no way they wouldn't do it with coaching as well. Bringing in the best people makes you successful...bottom line. The Rooney Rule may actually hinder bringing in coaches who would make a team more successful if your racial makeup isn't currently on par with the rest of the league. I'm not saying that white coaches are better than minority coaches, but that the competitive nature of the NFL as a business creates a natural demand for hiring the best. 

To add a few stats to the argument..The current makeup of minority players is 71%, with white players making up only 29%. Imagine the product we would have if the NFL instituted the Rooney Rule in reverse for the athletes, making it more racially balanced. It's certainly not fair that there are less white players playing than minority players, but the reality is that black athletes are bigger, stronger, faster on average than white athletes. The same system of economics that applies to athletes naturally would apply to coaches, or the teams wouldn't be successful/profitable. Get rid of the Rooney rule and quit making race an issue.

well the problem was everybody was hiring the best man for the job but the best man for the job always just so happened to be white

[caatfan]

The Rooney Rule just requires teams to interview minority candidates. There's no requirement to hire or penalty for not hiring a minority. While it would be nice if the rule wasn't necessary in order to get minorities in for interviews, we're not there yet, and I think the rule is a good one for now. It forces organizations to look past stereotypes.

[MountaineerChemist10]

Not all, but a lot of times the white coaches (i.e. Arians, Pederson, Payton) played as QB and the minority coaches (i.e. Rivera, Bowles, Tomlin) played a non-QB position when younger. That ought to change in a couple of years since more successful black QBs in college/pro football are emerging. Also, it seems like owners/GMs prefer to hire offensive-minded men more often than defensive-minded men. Just a thought.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

18 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't honestly know whether they've made a concerted effort to do this or not.

My general belief was that they just hired whom they considered the most qualified person available and it just fell out this way.

Could be wrong. Don't know.

And that's how it should be. 

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, caatfan said:

The Rooney Rule just requires teams to interview minority candidates. There's no requirement to hire or penalty for not hiring a minority. While it would be nice if the rule wasn't necessary in order to get minorities in for interviews, we're not there yet, and I think the rule is a good one for now. It forces organizations to look past stereotypes.

For some teams - like the Panthers - it may not be necessary.

For other teams - like the Patriots - it's apparently still needed.

[Kakarot]

With owners like Donald Sterling still being around (I know he's an NBA owner), the Rooney rule is needed.

[Moorgan]

Racial stereotypes exist in football all over. Look at Cam's story of being built like a defensive end and people not wanting him to play QB. He stuck to his guns and here we are. I also remember hearing a story of a white defensive back I think. He said that the black coaches were the only ones who thought he could do it. His white coaches wanted him to play another position. Racial stereotypes are weird and are more pervasive in football than one might think.

The Rooney Rule (while flawed) is still needed. Not sure how to improve it but there have been complaints that it actually hurts the minorities that get interviewed and not hired as the token interview. Who knows?

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

Racial stereotypes exist in football all over. Look at Cam's story of being built like a defensive end and people not wanting him to play QB. He stuck to his guns and here we are. I also remember hearing a story of a white defensive back I think. He said that the black coaches were the only ones who thought he could do it. His white coaches wanted him to play another position. Racial stereotypes are weird and are more pervasive in football than one might think.

The Rooney Rule (while flawed) is still needed. Not sure how to improve it but there have been complaints that it actually hurts the minorities that get interviewed and not hired as the token interview. Who knows?

There's reason to believe that some of Ron Rivera's early interviews may have been "tokens" to satisfy the Rooney Rule.

They missed. We didn't.

 

[Moorgan]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's reason to believe that some of Ron Rivera's early interviews may have been "tokens" to satisfy the Rooney Rule.

They missed. We didn't.

 

Some have argued that the more a guy becomes the "token" interview the less likely he is to actually get hired. In that sense, the Rooney Rule would backfire. But it's obviously still needed because people often need to be forced to open their eyes in order for substantive change to take place.

People often lament about how the military isn't some social experiment but that's exactly what was needed in the 40s when, I believe, Eisenhower integrated the Army. It wasn't pretty and wasn't smooth but was needed to force the behemoth to change.

[PandaPancake]

1 hour ago, Kakarot said:

With owners like Donald Sterling still being around (I know he's an NBA owner), the Rooney rule is needed.

You mean that guy that hasn't owned an NBA team since 2014?

[Jangler]

Isn't the whole northeast like wicked racist?

[YoungPanthers89]

3 minutes ago, Jangler said:

Isn't the whole northeast like wicked racist?

No only the southern U.S. is racist, you didn't know?

[PandaPancake]

59 minutes ago, Jangler said:

Isn't the whole northeast like wicked racist?

I wouldn't know. I'm trying to repair relations with the black community one woman at a time.