Contract negotiations with Kurt Coleman

[KB_fan]

14 minutes ago, Norway said:

If Coleman is signed, that leaves only KK and Norwell to extend this summer in my eyes.

Agree it would be great to get Norwell signed this summer.   I'm increasingly doubtful KK gets done, but it would be great if we can work something out.

One other player in the mix might be Remmers, but perhaps G'man & co want to see how Daryl Williams plays and whether Remmers improves further...

18 minutes ago, Norway said:

Can't see any other upcoming FAs in 2017 worth signing now. Maybe Addison, and I don't count Klein since he propably wan't be a starter for a different team

Addison would be nice to lock up, he really adds something to our Dline in terms of pass rush / NASCAR package.  And it will be interesting to see what happens with AJ Klein.  I would love to keep him, but it's probably not very fair to him as a player... but he surely is fantastic depth for us.

It's amazing what the extensions of Oher & Kalil have done to make next year's pending list of free agents look MUCH less worrisome.  At the beginning of the offseason, next year's free agency was looking nightmarish. 

[top dawg]

14 hours ago, thomas96 said:

I would even take him at $5M or $6M per year on a 3 year deal. Mitchell got 5 years $25M from the Steelers and Coleman was much better than him in their respective years here. And I don't think Piss-burgh overpaid for Mitchell, he's been solid there. Coleman's better. That being said, I wouldn't worry a whole lot if Coleman walks after this year. I love him but it's been pretty clear under Rivera, McD and Wilks we can make do with what we've got when it comes to the secondary. I'd love to have another young safety to solidify our secondary group along with (hopefully) Tre and the rookie corners. If Coleman ends up being a part of that then I'm thrilled, but I wouldn't panic if we have to let him get paid somewhere else.

I largely agree, though I think that the Steelers were having a little buyer's remorse during Mitchell's first season. He rebounded last season, though, like you said, he still isn't as solid as Coleman. Coleman's overall market value just may be 5-6 mil like you said, but then again you know that Getty may just scoff at that (you just never know with him). That's why I am basically saying that we should be happy with a 4 mil per year contract if Coleman goes for it.

Now, I am always trying to consider the Gettleman factor in trade negotiations, and kind of consider the contentiousness quotient depending upon the player's personality, along with the real and perceived value---and/or the objectivity and subjectivity---of their production, and what it means to the overall team (if you get what I'm saying).

That being said, Coleman wasn't perfect (of course), has been solid---particularly last season, but also got to play with an outstanding defensive front and a top 10 corner that (in theory, if not reality) made his job easier, and perhaps so easy that another above average safety can do it. Moreover, it's not like he has a rock solid body of work, but he does have a solid career for what he has been asked to do thus far. This is what I could see Gettleman thinking, right or wrong. I also think that continuity and solidity will definitely play a substantial part in his thinking at this point. 

Now, that being said, I can see Coleman thinking that this is his shot to up his financials, and that it is well-deserved. He just turned 28, albeit maybe a young 28 in terms of action, but 28 nonetheless. Like I alluded to before, in a way, Coleman would be providing that veteran experience back there---he'd be the anchor and failsafe for a secondary that's in flux, with a lot of question marks. That has to be worth something, right?

Will they come to a meeting of the minds? I think so. I think even a frugal Gettleman will see the wisdom in being a prudent Gettleman when he considers all the factors (esp. the experience-solidity angle). And, Coleman may decide that he can run with a middle ground type of prove-it-even-more deal with aspirations of more money in 2-3 years. 

I think Gettleman may go high as five mil per, but not six. But, whatever he decides to do...

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, panthers55 said:

I am interested to see if Gettleman continues his trend of letting many folks go and trying to constantly fill in with guys he picks up like he did Coleman. It was needed when we were cap strapped but what about now when we have a lot of money to spend. 

Good point. I wasn't even thinking about it from that angle. I was thinking that maybe Getty was just cheap---err frugal (LOL), now I am going to be watching with keen interest.

[caatfan]

I don't worry that much about Coleman thinking he's worth a boatload of $, nor do I worry about Gman thinking he can replace Kurt with any old low draft pick or cast off from another team. I think they'll settle on a contract that's good for both sides.

[The Huddler]

3 hours ago, CWORS said:

Hopefully 4-5 mill...and like someone said earlier in the thread...what's the deal with KK's extension?

The fact that he will play for us for the next two seasons minimum. Why rush and throw a poo ton of money at a guy who is good, but definitely was boosted by his supporting cast. No need to panic and pay out our ass

[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, CWORS said:

Hopefully 4-5 mill...and like someone said earlier in the thread...what's the deal with KK's extension?

Unfortunately, I think the hope of getting KK signed long-term went out the window the moment the Eagles backed up the Brinks truck to Fletcher Cox's house. Better hope that Butler is the real deal. 

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, Norway said:

*wants

Don't know if you know, but you can edit your posts by hitting the edit button near the bottom of the text.

[top dawg]

5 hours ago, CWORS said:

Hopefully 4-5 mill...and like someone said earlier in the thread...what's the deal with KK's extension?

The first whisper of pending difficulties was the drafting of Butler which was made more relevant and crucial by the second sign of trouble, which was the Cox contract. The third sign, which perhaps indicates the last nail in the coffin, is the shift or focus towards guys like Coleman. 

I would still hope for an extension, but mentally prepare for his departure. It's staring us in the face, even as we try  to ignore it.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, The Huddler said:

The fact that he will play for us for the next two seasons minimum. Why rush and throw a poo ton of money at a guy who is good, but definitely was boosted by his supporting cast. No need to panic and pay out our ass

I think KK made our DEs look better since they couldnt double our DEs anymore because they had to be worried about KK.  So I think KK was the catalyst to the D line not the other way around.  Plus there is no guarantee he will sign his franchise tag just like Norman didnt.  We thought we would have Norman this year and it didnt work out that way.  The only thing we can count on is this year and this year only.  I am not even sure Gettleman will franchise KK unless he thinks that 14 million on a 1 year rental is a good deal.

[panthers55]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The first whisper of pending difficulties was the drafting of Butler which was made more relevant and crucial by the second sign of trouble, which was the Cox contract. The third sign, which perhaps indicates the last nail in the coffin, is the shift or focus towards guys like Coleman. 

I would still hope for an extension, but mentally prepare for his departure. It's staring us in the face, even as we try  to ignore it.

We were going to talk with Coleman despite what happens with KK.  here are the other guys who will be free agents at the end of 2016 who we should be talking with:     http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2017/carolina-panthers/

   

[top dawg]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

We were going to talk with Coleman despite what happens with KK.  here are the other guys who will be free agents at the end of 2016 who we should be talking with:     http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2017/carolina-panthers/

   

Oh, I know. But the hope was that the Short deal would get done before the B-list guys. And a sufficient amount of time has passed to get that deal done in my estimation. But, I admit that perhaps I could be giving it a little more importance than warranted. But, I've also seen these types of situations play out before.

[Panther20]

KC is 100% worth resigning.  I'd like to see a 3-4 year deal with an option year that belongs to the Panthers. 

[ctrcat]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Unfortunately, I think the hope of getting KK signed long-term went out the window the moment the Eagles backed up the Brinks truck to Fletcher Cox's house. Better hope that Butler is the real deal. 

Could also give up our 6th for Ra'Zahn Howard next week, and try to trade KK and a 3rd to Detroit for Ansah ($5+ mil cap hit this year, $12+ mil next year), who bluffed for whatever reason at taking Butler in the 1st this year.  Might seem far flung but with GMan the price IS the price, all options MUST be considered, and letting KK go for "nothing" would suck.  In the above scenario we'd still have the best DT rotation in football, zero glaring holes heading into 2017 (assuming Coleman is signed), and 5 picks in the first 5 rounds (1-5) next spring.  For the Lions they'd get immediate cap relief, a similarly talented player of the same age, a Midwest guy, and a 2nd day pick.

[LinvilleGorge]

I think we'll probably go the Norman route again. Let him play out his contract and then let him walk and take the comp pick.