Re-Grading the 2013 draft

[ctrcat]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

That Kubgila pick was fuging Turrible with a capital T.

Anyone giving this draft higher than a B+ needs to take off the home glasses for a sec.

Only if you tell us who and why should have been taken instead and/or explain which team/GM DOES deserve an A.

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, ctrcat said:

Only if you tell us who and why should have been taken instead.

Well last I checked, neither of us are capable of rewriting history. So that's a moot point.

It was an awful pick. It happens.

[ctrcat]

18 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Well last I checked, neither of us are capable of rewriting history. So that's a moot point.

It was an awful pick. It happens.

I think GMan even admitted making a "rookie mistake" with that one, but (and I believe him) said he still got the other guy he wanted (AJ) a full round later.  Overall it's still an A, especially considering how relatively crappy the draft was overall.

[TheRed]

5 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

I think GMan even admitted making a "rookie mistake" with that one, but (and I believe him) said he still got the other guy he wanted (AJ) a full round later.  Overall it's still an A, especially considering how relatively crappy the draft was overall.

Though I disagree with you about the grade, we do agree about it being a rookie mistake.

Gettleman learned from it. Which is why last season, instead of being hellbent on keeping all the picks, he moved up to get a guy he wanted in Funchess, and it paid off.

It's all a process.

The main reason I move it from an A to a B overall is the injury concerns for Star. Foot issues for a man his size are very serious.  You can't downplay that.

[LinvilleGorge]

STRONGLY disagree with the comment that the Panthers wish they would've drafted Short in the first instead of Star.  Star would've never lasted until our pick in the 2nd.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

That Kubgila pick was fuging Turrible with a capital T.

Anyone giving this draft higher than a B+ needs to take off the homer glasses for a sec.

Our defense is built around the front seven and in the first two picks of that draft we turned one of the biggest weaknesses on our roster into one of the biggest strengths.  Yet, you want to knock the draft because of a missed 4th round pick?

Star and Short alone are enough for me to give this draft an A.  Klein is just icing on the cake.

Hell, I'd give the '11 draft an A+ and every single pick Hurney made after Cam was a disaster.  But, we got a franchise QB and the reigning NFL MVP out of that draft and that's absolutely invaluable.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

20 hours ago, ctrcat said:

Star falling is my favorite draft pick on draft day in my fandom.

This.  If we'd had the #1 overall pick in that draft, I would've wanted Star there.  When you get the guy you would've taken at #1 at #14, that's just unbelievable. 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Our defense is built around the front seven and in the first two picks of that draft we turned one of the biggest weaknesses on our roster into one of the biggest strengths.  Yet, you want to knock the draft because of a missed 4th round pick?

Star and Short alone are enough for me to give this draft an A.  Klein is just icing on the cake.

Hell, I'd give the '11 draft an A+ and every single pick Hurney made after Cam was a disaster.  But, we got a franchise QB and the reigning NFL MVP out of that draft and that's absolutely invaluable.

 

See the above post regarding injuries for clarification on the Star pick.

The Cam Newton pick is a different animal altogether. Defenses come, and go. Once in a generation franchise transcending talent at the quarterback position is something QB needy teams would give up practically anything for.

[frash.exe]

I feel like in order to sound smart I'm gonna have to nitpick and scrutinize everything about this draft down to minute detail so that it can be graded properly.

[Omega Atrocity]

It's an A+ draft without a doubt. The 2013 draft is by far the worst one in recent memory and we ended up with 2 studs and a 5th round linebacker that could start for half the teams in the league, that's an A+ right there.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

While I am a proponent of meritocracy, I fail to understand how Klein is a B because "he hasn't proved to be top tier yet".

What more can a fifth rounder do other than learn and effectively backup/start all three LB positions and do so with little drop off while replacing one of, if not the, best LB in the game?

I don't believe the measure of success for a fifth round pick is all-pro is it?  I mean it happens(Norman) but it's hardly commonplace.

The selection of Klein in the 5th deserves an A because he has proven not to be a wtf pick like we all thought and further illustrates the meticulous talent selection processes our front office has in place.

 Without Klein there is little chance we make it through those Luke-less games last season undefeated.

I respect your opinion, but I just see things differently. I'm looking at the player's talent, flashes and production irrespective of round. I have seen enough mid and late round guys, as well as UDFAs, over the years to where it's not even surprising anymore to see them make huge impacts and garner huge paydays. I just can't give Klein an A in good conscience because I haven't seen enough for my taste even to project him as an A-level talent. But if it's any consolation, I thought about it. Klein filled in nicely.  Even if I had given him an A, Getty still get's a B because Barner and Kugbila drag the grade down like a ship trying to drag an anchor.

On an off note, I am excited to see what Mayo has. I was also more than a little disappointed when we cut Adarius Glanton. 

[CPantherKing]

Star: B... Most of you overrate him because he is a Panther and picked by Gettleman. Star has underachieved for where he was picked in the draft. Some media outlets will not even list Star in the top 40 DTs. Some outlets believe Paul Soliai is a better DT than Star. Star had a nice rookie season, but he has declined since then for the Panthers. If you were to measure all DTs based on AV for a given year, Star went from 10th in 2013 to 46th in 2014, and in 2015 he was 38th. Ever since Star's injury in 2014 he has not been the same. Hopefully, he returns to his 2013 level.

KK: A+... Continues to improve every year.

Kugbila: F... was a bust from day 1.

AJ Klein: C+... Klein has never stepped up to perform well as a starter as evidenced by the Shaq pick in 2016.  He struggles leading the defense from the MLB position which is apparent from his preseason attempts to handle Luke's spot. He is an average special teams player, but a solid back up who teams have taken advantage of when he is in on the field.

Barner: F... complete disappointment from day one. He was suppose to be the return man at least, and he struggled at it from the NFL level. Showed absolutely no potential as a Panthers and was immediately sent packing after his rookie season. The Panthers held on to Kugbila longer than Barner.

I also factor in the use of the draft (return of value for draft picks) compared to the rest of the league with 7 or 6 picks being average. A = teams obtaining 10+ picks. B = 9/8 picks. C = 7/6 picks. D = 5 picks. F = 4 or fewer picks. So, Panthers get a D for use of draft to leverage capital.

From a player/talent perspective the Panthers finish with a C+ for the draft. When the return of value for the draft is factored in the Panthers drop to a C.

[Nick_81]

[pantherphan96]

lol at the people upset that 5th round pick AJ Klein isn't our starting LB in a LB corps with Luke, TD, and 1st round pick Shaq Thompson