Thoughts on Gettleman and KK Short...

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Oh, so you just ignore the military part of it huh?  You're literally making excuses to make yourself make sense.  I hold myself to those standards, since I was in the Military.  Sorry, I'm not sorry you aren't impressed.  Let it go dude.  

I gave the "hey look at me, I was in the military" part as much attention as it deserved.

I've got plenty of family that were in the military. None of them trade on it to try and make themselves look good or try to use it as an excuse to be a--holes.

As the old saying goes, if you've got to tell me how good you are, you're not.

[nctarheel0619]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I gave the "hey look at me, I was in the military" part as much attention as it deserved.

I've got plenty of family that were in the military. None of them trade on it to try and make themselves look good or try to use it as an excuse to be a--holes.

As the old saying goes, if you've got to tell me how good you are, you're not.

I'm not telling you how good I am (when did I ever state this?).  I'm just saying I live by those core values to this day.  

You know what?  I'm done with this poo.  Nobody can get through to you, ever.  So, I'll just leave this alone.  

[X-Clown on 1]

2 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Na, I've been a fan since I was 10.  I'll pass on being a Pats fan.  

That was a test....and you passed :)

[Peppers90 NC]

28 minutes ago, El Dandy said:

I can see how people are annoyed. It seems like Gettleman lets people walk much more often than he resigns them. Cam and Luke are obviously exceptions but those are two of the biggest DUH resignings in franchise history.

Besides Norman, who did he let walk that didn't get overpaid elsewhere?

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I'm not telling you how good I am (when did I ever state this?).  I'm just saying I live by those core values to this day.  

You know what?  I'm done with this poo.  Nobody can get through to you, ever.  So, I'll just leave this alone.  

Sorry, but I'm not convinced "core military values" correlate with being a whiny b--ch of a sports fan.

Stop taking yourself so seriously and try actually enjoying the team's successes instead of pissing and moaning all the time. It's a lot more fun.

[Peppers90 NC]

41 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

All well and good, but then why pull JNo's tag?  We have an extra $14 million in the here-and-now and nearly $30 million for THIS year's cap for...what?  

Maybe because he decided not to sign it?

[MountainHeel66]

1 hour ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I'm not telling you how good I am (when did I ever state this?).  I'm just saying I live by those core values to this day.  

You know what?  I'm done with this poo.  Nobody can get through to you, ever.  So, I'll just leave this alone.  

I respect military as much as the next guy and more than most but that's a bullshit approach to being a sports fan. First off, not even "military excellence" is perfect and 100% victorious, never makes mistakes and poor decisions etc. if that's what you took from it then you missed the point BIG TIME. Their values also involve lives being on the line and global stability, that's FAR from what sports are about.

If you don't consider what the Panthers did last year to be excellence then there is no one on the face of this earth that can help you. We became an elite force in the NFL IN ONE SEASON. After constantly being written off and undersold by every media outlet we somehow stuck it to every single one of them and won 2 championships in the process, the NFC South (for the 3rd year in a row) and the NFC. No one here is happy we lost the super bowl but poo happens and even the best laid plans falter, it doesn't mean that you use "military code" to call a team a failure for having one of the best seasons any team has ever had. 

Lighten up Francis. Life is a game that no one gets out of alive. Military service and striving for excellence are amazing things. But you also have to be able to seperate yourself from that and objectively look at what's going on around you. Excellence and perfection are not mutually exclusive. And, in fact, the military leaders who are unwilling to admit they are fallible and who have to be perfect are the ones that get people killed. This team did incredible things, love that and accept that maybe it's because we were doing all of the right things and it just wasn't our day on that ONE DAY.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Gman will not sign Short to a long term deal. He's going to play this year under his rookie deal and become a free agent after the season. Gman will then tag him for one more year and let him walk after next season when Short will be age 29. These next two years will give the team Short's prime years while Vernon Butler gets ready to take over his position.

It wild be Star who gets re=signed and not Short.

[ThPantherFan]

Gettleman is smart.  I wish all the teams would start reeling in the money on just a few.  It's a team sport for a reason.

[The Lobo]

3 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Gman will not sign Short to a long term deal. He's going to play this year under his rookie deal and become a free agent after the season. Gman will then tag him for one more year and let him walk after next season when Short will be age 29. These next two years will give the team Short's prime years while Vernon Butler gets ready to take over his position.

It wild be Star who gets re=signed and not Short.

I can see that, I have felt Star is vastly underrated. I just feel like we will resign both. We get two more years for star correct? Resign KK this offseason, wait until Stars is up and resign him. 

[ctrcat]

1 hour ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Maybe because he decided not to sign it?

Horse hockey.  Eric Berry, Mo Wilkerson et al have not signed in June in this or past years.  Besides, the reason given was NOT that he didn't sign it, it was because a long term deal was never going to happen.  When asked what could be done with $14 million, GMan's answer was "a lot".  I'm not denouncing GMan's genius, simply trying to understand it, because simply rolling cap over into future years is a very underwhelming definition of "a lot" for a team and fans full of piss and vinegar, chomping at the bit to win the whole thing now.

[pantherphan96]

Love KK, but would rather sign Trai, Norwell, and Star long-term instead of giving KK a Ndamukong Suh contract.

[Peppers90 NC]

22 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

Horse hockey.  Eric Berry, Mo Wilkerson et al have not signed in June in this or past years.  Besides, the reason given was NOT that he didn't sign it, it was because a long term deal was never going to happen.  When asked what could be done with $14 million, GMan's answer was "a lot".  I'm not denouncing GMan's genius, simply trying to understand it, because simply rolling cap over into future years is a very underwhelming definition of "a lot" for a team and fans full of piss and vinegar, chomping at the bit to win the whole thing now.

And none of those guys are happy. $15m was sitting on the table for almost 2 months. If he really wanted to be here he could have signed it. Two moves have been made already with Kalil and Oher. Money can roll over to next year as well. 

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, the greatest said:

Yeah I don't understand why everyone's in a rush to resign him. He still has to play this year under his contract, where his value could actually go down.. Then we can extend him, franchise him or let him walk..

It doesn't matter, the train keeps rolling

The franchise tag for  a DT is $13.6 mil. This will go up a bit next season (thanks Fletch), but why not get KK for $1.5 mil this year, and only risk having to franchise him for next season, probably for less than he'd get in a long term deal deal now. Don't misunderstand, I hope we line KK up more many seasons to come, but G-man is holding all the cards. in 2 years, Big Vern will have that much more experience, KK will be 29, and we'll be having the same discussion.