Thoughts on Gettleman and KK Short...

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

It's not dumb ass, you should expect excellence.  The players expect that, we should as well.  Is it possible every year?  No, but that's what all the players want.  Simple as that.  

You're not a player, and please don't try to put yourself on that level.

"It's no good if you don't win a championship! Second place is the first loser!" Blah blah blah blah blah. I've heard all this crap before. It generally comes from people who just like to piss and moan, and they use it to justify being whiny b--ches all the time instead of just enjoying a team's success.

The fans who do this probably think it makes them sound all badass, like someone with higher standards; a player or a coach or a drill sergeant or some such. In reality it makes you sound like the dumbass Little League dad screaming at his kid from the bleachers because he doesn't hit a home run with every at bat.

"Higher standard" fans usually just need to get over themselves.

[Jangler]

52 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all.

If it's a smart move right now, under the current circumstances, then it's a smart move regardless of what the team's history is. I don't really give a s--t how it "sounds".

And believe it or not, the Patriots actually do still make dumb decisions despite having Super Bowl rings, as does every other team that's won a championship.

No matter how good your reputation might be, past accomplishments don't prevent you from making present mistakes. Likewise, past failures don't prevent you from making smart moves in the here and now.

[the greatest]

Yeah I don't understand why everyone's in a rush to resign him. He still has to play this year under his contract, where his value could actually go down.. Then we can extend him, franchise him or let him walk..

It doesn't matter, the train keeps rolling

[PandaPancake]

48 minutes ago, Jangler said:

Please sir, can you help out a tramp?

Maybe when oil hits $60/bbl

[PhillyB]

i've been saying this for a while. worst case we have short playing with a chip on his shoulder for the next seasons, jettison him at age 29 if he won't sign an affordable deal, get a few comp picks, and roll with butler entering his third year as a pro. hopefully by then we'll have a ring and not be as freaked out about cycling talent since it'll be a proven formula by then.

[ctrcat]

3 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

i've been saying this for a while. worst case we have short playing with a chip on his shoulder for the next seasons, jettison him at age 29 if he won't sign an affordable deal, get a few comp picks, and roll with butler entering his third year as a pro. hopefully by then we'll have a ring and not be as freaked out about cycling talent since it'll be a proven formula by then.

All well and good, but then why pull JNo's tag?  We have an extra $14 million in the here-and-now and nearly $30 million for THIS year's cap for...what?  

[L-TownCat]

I love the "no rings therefore we suck" fans.

You should all be castrated and euthanized.  You bring nothing to the conversation other than a pouty lip and a defiant "nuh-uh" as your closing arguments.

GTFO

[nctarheel0619]

56 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're not a player, and please don't try to put yourself on that level.

"It's no good if you don't win a championship! Second place is the first loser!" Blah blah blah blah blah. I've heard all this crap before. It generally comes from people who just like to piss and moan, and they use it to justify being whiny b--ches all the time instead of just enjoying a team's success.

The fans who do this probably think it makes them sound all badass, like someone with higher standards; a player or a coach or a drill sergeant or some such. In reality it makes you sound like the dumbass Little League dad screaming at his kid from the bleachers because he doesn't hit a home run with every at bat.

"Higher standard" fans usually just need to get over themselves.

So, in the military our standards and core values were "Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all we do."  I still hold myself to those standards to this day.  Sorry you don't understand that.    

[The_Rainmaker]

3 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Put together some thoughts on Gettleman and why KK Short has not been signed yet. 

 

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/2016/06/23/carolina-panthers-dave-gettleman/

 

Read if you like. Or not. 

Good write up, There is def more value in Trai, Norwell, & Ealy > KK. We should lock up Trai & Norwell by end of this season, I suspect Trai will have All-pro season with Norwell having a Pro-Season.

[PhillyB]

Just now, ctrcat said:

All well and good, but then why pull JNo's tag?  We have an extra $14 million in the here-and-now and nearly $30 million for THIS year's cap for...what?  

well that's worst case. best case we sign short for 13 or 14 a year and squeeze in trai and norwell too.

also remember we'll get additional cap relief from stew's contract when it's up, possibly right in time to sign kk to a long term deal if we keep him around on the tag in 2017

[ctrcat]

2 hours ago, cardiaccat52 said:

The scenario the Panthers are in oddly resembles the Patriots in 2015-2016...almost same situations and similar outcomes have already started....

2015 - Patriots don't resign Darrelle Revis in Free Agency (2016 - Panthers let Josh Norman walk)

2016 - Patriots trade their best defensive lineman (Chandler Jones)...A lot of mention was because they couldn't afford to keep him along with other key pieces (2016 - Short not traded yet)

Like Short, Chandler was coming off his best season (12.5 sacks), and the Patriots that year spent high draft picks on defensive lineman as possible insurance knowing that there was a high probability they wouldn't resign Chandler (1st round = DT, 3rd round = DE, and 4th round = DE). 

Panthers used a 1st rounder on Butler. Again...somewhat of similar set of circumstances between the two teams. 

Revis was actually a high dollar FA, for one year actually, not unlike a tag would have been for JNo.  But Revis was never one of their own.  To bring him back for an additional year would have set the Pats back $20 million.

Jones has drug problems.

 

[TheRed]

I don't feel Gettleman absolutely has to extend him right now, or even this year.

We have options.

But I'm not going to bother with the "well we could let him walk, and there could be little to no drop off between him, and Butler because Butler looks like a beast in non contact drills" rationalizations. Why? Because if there is one thing I have learned over the years through the many many ups and downs of being a Carolina Panthers fan, it's do not take things for granted. The way you think or assume things will play out may end up with you receiving a swift kick to the nards, because well, that's just life.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

So, in the military our standards and core values were "Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all we do."  I still hold myself to those standards to this day.  Sorry you don't understand that.    

Still trying to play the "high standards" card, eh?  

Sorry. Not impressed.

Players can play that card. Coaches can talk about demanding excellence. GMs and owners can say 'nothing less than the best' and all sound credible when they do so.

Fans?

Fans who act like a phenomenal season that fell one game short of winning it all is somehow "not good enough" to earn the privilege of their special support are just being self-important a--holes.

Hate to break it to you, but you're not a special snowflake. And your 'high standards' don't help make the team better. They'll be just fine with or without you.

The only thing you're really accomplishing is to make yourself look silly.

[nctarheel0619]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Still trying to play the "high standards" card, eh?  

Sorry. Not impressed.

Players can play that card. Coaches can talk about demanding excellence. GMs and owners can say 'nothing less than the best' and all sound credible when they do so.

Fans?

Fans who act like a phenomenal season that fell one game short of winning it all is somehow "not good enough" to earn the privilege of their special support are just being self-important a--holes.

Hate to break it to you, but you're not a special snowflake. And your 'high standards' don't help make the team better. They'll be just fine with or without you.

The only thing you're really accomplishing is to make yourself look silly.

Oh, so you just ignore the military part of it huh?  You're literally making excuses to make yourself make sense.  I hold myself to those standards, since I was in the Military.  Sorry, I'm not sorry you aren't impressed.  Let it go dude.