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Thoughts on Gettleman and KK Short...


Jeremy Igo

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You just ask 'what happens if we do this?' for all your options and then pick the option that makes the most sense. What you don't do is throw a huge contract to a player for fear that teams like Philly will up the salary ceiling for a particular position. This organization has plenty of big salary goofs in its history as examples of how not to run a successful NFL team. Gettleman ain't no dummy.

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The scenario the Panthers are in oddly resembles the Patriots in 2015-2016...almost same situations and similar outcomes have already started....

2015 - Patriots don't resign Darrelle Revis in Free Agency (2016 - Panthers let Josh Norman walk)

2016 - Patriots trade their best defensive lineman (Chandler Jones)...A lot of mention was because they couldn't afford to keep him along with other key pieces (2016 - Short not traded yet)

Like Short, Chandler was coming off his best season (12.5 sacks), and the Patriots that year spent high draft picks on defensive lineman as possible insurance knowing that there was a high probability they wouldn't resign Chandler (1st round = DT, 3rd round = DE, and 4th round = DE). 

Panthers used a 1st rounder on Butler. Again...somewhat of similar set of circumstances between the two teams. 

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5 minutes ago, cardiaccat52 said:

The scenario the Panthers are in oddly resembles the Patriots in 2015-2016...almost same situations and similar outcomes have already started....

2015 - Patriots don't resign Darrelle Revis in Free Agency (2016 - Panthers let Josh Norman walk)

2016 - Patriots trade their best defensive lineman (Chandler Jones)...A lot of mention was because they couldn't afford to keep him along with other key pieces (2016 - Short not traded yet)

Like Short, Chandler was coming off his best season (12.5 sacks), and the Patriots that year spent high draft picks on defensive lineman as possible insurance knowing that there was a high probability they wouldn't resign Chandler (1st round = DT, 3rd round = DE, and 4th round = DE). 

Panthers used a 1st rounder on Butler. Again...somewhat of similar set of circumstances between the two teams. 

Excellent post 

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it seems like people are forgetting that he has 2016 plus a possible franchise tagged year in front of him.  that was a good point to bring up as the discussion over his extension/non-extension is already so frenzied.

e: and yeah, the patriots unflinchingly trading chandler jones is an excellent point too.  that's a young pass rusher on the cusp of his prime with an all pro/pro bowl type future in front of him and the pats just dealt him like it was no big deal.

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1 minute ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Except the difference between us and them, they have Super Bowl rings.  We have that lovely shitting of the bed this team did in February.  

the guy who made that point actually went into some level of detail contrasting the two decisions and the logic behind them whereas you're just doing your best imitation of a PFT commenter

 

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Just now, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

the guy who made that point actually went into some level of detail contrasting the two decisions and the logic behind them whereas you're just doing your best imitation of a PFT commenter

 

Oh, so in essence, I didn't just state facts?  I mean, I think I did.  Because they do have rings, and we have nothing at all.  

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    • 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤, 𝐮𝐬𝐚 𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐬 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨𝐬: 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐄.𝐔𝐔., 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐥 +𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐞𝐧 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨, 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜) . ¿Cómo llamar a 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 desde Estados Unidos? Summary. 𝓢𝓲 𝓼𝓮 𝓹𝓻𝓮𝓰𝓾𝓷𝓽𝓪 𝓬ó𝓶𝓸 𝓵𝓵𝓪𝓶𝓪𝓻 𝓪 𝓲𝓫𝓮𝓻𝓲𝓪 𝒜𝒾𝓇𝓁𝒾𝓃𝑒𝓈 𝓭𝓮𝓼𝓭𝓮 𝓾𝓼𝓪, 𝓶𝓪𝓻𝓺𝓾𝓮 𝓵𝓪 𝓵í𝓷𝓮𝓪 𝓰𝓻𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓲𝓽𝓪 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜). 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐚𝐫 𝐚 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐝𝐞 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨, 𝐩𝐮𝐞𝐝𝐞𝐬 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐫 𝐚𝐥 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜). 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤, 𝐮𝐬𝐚 𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐬 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨𝐬: 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐄.𝐔𝐔., 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐥 +� 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐞𝐧 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨,  𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐲 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐬𝐩𝐚ñ𝐚, 𝐞𝐥 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨 𝐞𝐬 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜).  
    • 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤, 𝐮𝐬𝐚 𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐬 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨𝐬: 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐄.𝐔𝐔., 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐥 +𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐞𝐧 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨, 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜) . ¿Cómo llamar a 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 desde Estados Unidos? Summary. 𝓢𝓲 𝓼𝓮 𝓹𝓻𝓮𝓰𝓾𝓷𝓽𝓪 𝓬ó𝓶𝓸 𝓵𝓵𝓪𝓶𝓪𝓻 𝓪 𝓲𝓫𝓮𝓻𝓲𝓪 𝒜𝒾𝓇𝓁𝒾𝓃𝑒𝓈 𝓭𝓮𝓼𝓭𝓮 𝓾𝓼𝓪, 𝓶𝓪𝓻𝓺𝓾𝓮 𝓵𝓪 𝓵í𝓷𝓮𝓪 𝓰𝓻𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓲𝓽𝓪 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜). 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐚𝐫 𝐚 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐝𝐞 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨, 𝐩𝐮𝐞𝐝𝐞𝐬 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐫 𝐚𝐥 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜). 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤, 𝐮𝐬𝐚 𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐬 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨𝐬: 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐄.𝐔𝐔., 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐥 +� 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐞𝐧 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨,  𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐲 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐬𝐩𝐚ñ𝐚, 𝐞𝐥 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨 𝐞𝐬 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜).  
    • 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤, 𝐮𝐬𝐚 𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐬 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨𝐬: 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐄.𝐔𝐔., 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐥 +𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐞𝐧 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨, 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜) . ¿Cómo llamar a 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 desde Estados Unidos? Summary. 𝓢𝓲 𝓼𝓮 𝓹𝓻𝓮𝓰𝓾𝓷𝓽𝓪 𝓬ó𝓶𝓸 𝓵𝓵𝓪𝓶𝓪𝓻 𝓪 𝓲𝓫𝓮𝓻𝓲𝓪 𝒜𝒾𝓇𝓁𝒾𝓃𝑒𝓈 𝓭𝓮𝓼𝓭𝓮 𝓾𝓼𝓪, 𝓶𝓪𝓻𝓺𝓾𝓮 𝓵𝓪 𝓵í𝓷𝓮𝓪 𝓰𝓻𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓲𝓽𝓪 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜). 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐚𝐫 𝐚 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐝𝐞 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨, 𝐩𝐮𝐞𝐝𝐞𝐬 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐫 𝐚𝐥 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜). 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧  𝔸𝕚𝕣𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤, 𝐮𝐬𝐚 𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐬 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨𝐬: 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐄.𝐔𝐔., 𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐚𝐥 +� 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐞𝐧 𝐌é𝐱𝐢𝐜𝐨,  𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜); 𝐲 𝐞𝐧 𝐄𝐬𝐩𝐚ñ𝐚, 𝐞𝐥 𝐧ú𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐨 𝐞𝐬 + 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐚+𝟏-𝟖𝟔𝟔-𝟖𝟐𝟗-𝟏𝟐𝟔𝟐 (𝐸𝓈𝓉𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓈 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝒹𝑜𝓈) 𝑜 𝒶𝓁 +𝟓𝟐-𝟖𝟎𝟎-𝟒𝟔𝟏-𝟎𝟖𝟖𝟎 (𝑀é𝓍𝒾𝒸𝑜).  
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