Gettledaddy says agents can't scare him

[NJPanthers12]

35 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Is this where I say told you so? Gettleman shines some light on what is going on. Looks like some frustration. There is a large divide between business and family with this team, and the wounds just get deeper every off-season. This team could be great since 2013, but Gettleman has held them back from greatness and realizing what would have been a dynasty. You will see the truth come out. It always does. Ask the players and agents off the record when you meet them outside of team activities. Just ask. They are very frustrated with battling their front office, and the players do believe they have a window.

Players/agents look at it as though they have a window.

Front office refuses to believe in the window and the players are just a cog to oil and replace.

Gettleman keeps leaning on Hurney's work while chipping away at that foundation a little every year. It is only a matter of time before he over extends his ego and it breaks with nothing else to fall back on in terms of the players necessary to win a championship.

The Panthers won big with Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, and Davis. Davis, Kalil, Olsen, and Stewart will be gone soon. That will leave Cam and Luke to carry the team with no apparent player to fill the roles left by Smith, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, Davis, Hardy, or Norman. The closest the Panthers have to any of them is KB, and he had a shaky rookie season catching the ball, and a season where he had a major injury.

What will the Panthers be left with from the past 4 off seasons to build the team on for the future? They need to pay some of these players unless the plan is to run with rookies and retreads every season until all of Hurney's players are old and gone.

Benjamin was shaky? He had over 1,000 yards his rookie season. I love how you also left you Star and Short from you ridiculous uneducated rant. I don't care what anyone says on this board, I do have contact with very few players on this team and they have the utmost respect for Gettleman.

You also left you players like Turner and Norwell who were found by Gettleman and aRe key cogs on this team.

[the butch]

Y'all calling Getts an ego maniac probably haven't seen the business end of a boardroom marker.  Please, pump us full of your all-seeing, all-knowing, all-winning NFL General Manager formula.  I linger, bated breath, pen scribbling in angst.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

oh don't forget that the 2011/2012 teams with nakamura, terrell mcclain, sione fua, byron bell, armanti edwards, amini silatolu, legatron, dan connor, charles godfrey, captain munnerlyn getting roasted on the outside, and old-ass jordan gross and travelle wharton were the "foundation of a dynasty"

the panthers were a handful of elite players surrounded by a bunch of garbage when gettleman got here.  if you want to penalize gettleman for having great players in key positions and riding them to a super bowl then you have to also blame hurney for having the same advantage but not doing a damn thing with them.  considering he drafted and assembled our rosters i don't understand how he's immune from that, even granting him the 2010 shitshow (the draft sucked ass outside of hardy too, don't get it twisted).  filling out the bottom half of the roster is just as important as having cream of the crop talent at the top.

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The Panthers won big with Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, and Davis. Davis, Kalil, Olsen, and Stewart will be gone soon. That will leave Cam and Luke to carry the team with no apparent player to fill the roles left by Smith, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, Davis, Hardy, or Norman. The closest the Panthers have to any of them is KB, and he had a shaky rookie season catching the ball, and a season where he had a major injury.

no team in the league has backups that are the exact same caliber as 7 all pro players who start you freak.  they're entrenched as starters and making pro bowls and the AP all pro list for a reason.  i don't know where you go this impression from that all the good GMs have their teams stacked five deep with elite talent at every position but it's making my eyes bleed.

[dpm0409]

22 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

I don't get why ''Gettleman's Ego'' keeps coming up...it's not ego, it's being realistic about player values, and what you can afford while trying to field and sustain what has developed into a superbowl caliber team in just three years. 

Get off the ego hyperbole, it's not ego, it's common sense. 

Not even gonna read pages 3-8 b/c this sums it up right here.  I hope none of you really think that DG's ego is driving his decisions when it comes to contracts, extensions, and the like......a GM's real job is all about sustainability.  When you can scout, evaluate, draft and develop talent at a high level AND do it on a consistent basis, DG's philosophies work just fine.

I will admit though, as the cap rises, contracts that seem crazy today, won't seem quite so crazy in the not to distant future.  But nobody has a crystal ball to know where the cap will level off at so it's not a good enough excuse to go handing out "Marty Hurney sized contracts".

[CRA]

6 hours ago, top dawg said:

CRA, one of the Panthers' determinations in drafting Butler (not that they wouldn't have if this wasn't the case) is that La Tech used three man fronts which allowed Butler to be double teamed (with pretty much impunity). Being that the Panthers use four man fronts, the theory is that this will lend to Butler being in one-on-one situations markedly more than he was in college---markedly more.  Moreover, when you throw in Star, Short, Soliai, Ealy, CJ, or whoever else in the mix on the D-line, opposing DCs won't be able to double Butler all game.

Again, I am not knocking Butler nor his talent.  I will also repeat Star has almost become undervalued here as of late (and he shouldn't).  There is a reason Star was once viewed as the #1 overall pick of his draft and it wasn't because people thought he would generate 12 sacks a season.  

I got no beef with the Butler pick or his talent.  I still don't view him as KK insurance but rather Star leverage as we likely can't pay both Star and KK their value

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Is this where I say told you so? Gettleman shines some light on what is going on. Looks like some frustration. There is a large divide between business and family with this team, and the wounds just get deeper every off-season. This team could be great since 2013, but Gettleman has held them back from greatness and realizing what would have been a dynasty. You will see the truth come out. It always does. Ask the players and agents off the record when you meet them outside of team activities. Just ask. They are very frustrated with battling their front office, and the players do believe they have a window.

Players/agents look at it as though they have a window.

Front office refuses to believe in the window and the players are just a cog to oil and replace.

Gettleman keeps leaning on Hurney's work while chipping away at that foundation a little every year. It is only a matter of time before he over extends his ego and it breaks with nothing else to fall back on in terms of the players necessary to win a championship.

The Panthers won big with Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, and Davis. Davis, Kalil, Olsen, and Stewart will be gone soon. That will leave Cam and Luke to carry the team with no apparent player to fill the roles left by Smith, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, Davis, Hardy, or Norman. The closest the Panthers have to any of them is KB, and he had a shaky rookie season catching the ball, and a season where he had a major injury.

What will the Panthers be left with from the past 4 off seasons to build the team on for the future? They need to pay some of these players unless the plan is to run with rookies and retreads every season until all of Hurney's players are old and gone.

We've been to the playoffs for three straight years under Gettleman. We hadn't been to the playoffs for four straight years leading up to Gettleman. From this, you conclude that Gettleman is holding us back. Right after we go 15-1 and make a Super Bowl run I might add. 

LOL

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

just so the participants know he's not going to respond to any of you

he will post virtually the same thing verbatim in another topic though

[pantherj]

2 hours ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Benjamin was shaky? He had over 1,000 yards his rookie season. I love how you also left you Star and Short from you ridiculous uneducated rant. I don't care what anyone says on this board, I do have contact with very few players on this team and they have the utmost respect for Gettleman.

You also left you players like Turner and Norwell who were found by Gettleman and aRe key cogs on this team.

Which players are you in contact with?

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

just so the participants know he's not going to respond to any of you

he will post virtually the same thing verbatim in another topic though

I'd guess he's aware at this point that no one takes him seriously.

Seems kinda pathetic to just post what no one listens to, get a bunch of people telling you how stupid you are and then run away.  I guess he must really just want attention that badly.

Heck, if we win the Super Bowl, I guess he'll just go off and sulk somewhere.

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

This team could be great since 2013, but Gettleman has held them back from greatness and realizing what would have been a dynasty. 

[AU-panther]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Is this where I say told you so? Gettleman shines some light on what is going on. Looks like some frustration. There is a large divide between business and family with this team, and the wounds just get deeper every off-season. This team could be great since 2013, but Gettleman has held them back from greatness and realizing what would have been a dynasty. You will see the truth come out. It always does. Ask the players and agents off the record when you meet them outside of team activities. Just ask. They are very frustrated with battling their front office, and the players do believe they have a window.

Players/agents look at it as though they have a window.

Front office refuses to believe in the window and the players are just a cog to oil and replace.

Gettleman keeps leaning on Hurney's work while chipping away at that foundation a little every year. It is only a matter of time before he over extends his ego and it breaks with nothing else to fall back on in terms of the players necessary to win a championship.

The Panthers won big with Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, and Davis. Davis, Kalil, Olsen, and Stewart will be gone soon. That will leave Cam and Luke to carry the team with no apparent player to fill the roles left by Smith, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, Davis, Hardy, or Norman. The closest the Panthers have to any of them is KB, and he had a shaky rookie season catching the ball, and a season where he had a major injury.

What will the Panthers be left with from the past 4 off seasons to build the team on for the future? They need to pay some of these players unless the plan is to run with rookies and retreads every season until all of Hurney's players are old and gone.

The idea of a "window" is a quick way to ruin a team for years.  We've had close to $60 million in dead money on the books over the past 3 years combined.  I'm guessing 5-6 years ago someone thought they had a "window".

How good would have last years team been with some of that $60 million allocated to salaries?  Or the 2013 team?

So DG extends Cam and Luke to huge contracts.  Extends Kalil and Olsen to relatively big contracts (7-8) million.  But he is cheap because he refuses to make a CB the highest paid player in the league at his position? Also this is the first year we have actually had a substantial amount of cap space going into the season.  Why spend it just to spend it?  It does rollover.

Everyone is acting like KK is already gone but the fact is he still has a year left on his rookie contract and they we can tag him for 2 years.

The questions isn't "can you afford a certain player?", it is what is the player worth to your team.  Anything over the league minimum that you pay a player reduces what you can pay another player.  I would prefer to have 10 guys making top 5 salaries then 6 guys making the top salaries at their position plus 4 guys making league minimum.

 

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Is this where I say told you so? Gettleman shines some light on what is going on. Looks like some frustration. There is a large divide between business and family with this team, and the wounds just get deeper every off-season. This team could be great since 2013, but Gettleman has held them back from greatness and realizing what would have been a dynasty. You will see the truth come out. It always does. Ask the players and agents off the record when you meet them outside of team activities. Just ask. They are very frustrated with battling their front office, and the players do believe they have a window.

Players/agents look at it as though they have a window.

Front office refuses to believe in the window and the players are just a cog to oil and replace.

Gettleman keeps leaning on Hurney's work while chipping away at that foundation a little every year. It is only a matter of time before he over extends his ego and it breaks with nothing else to fall back on in terms of the players necessary to win a championship.

The Panthers won big with Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, and Davis. Davis, Kalil, Olsen, and Stewart will be gone soon. That will leave Cam and Luke to carry the team with no apparent player to fill the roles left by Smith, Olsen, Kalil, Stewart, Davis, Hardy, or Norman. The closest the Panthers have to any of them is KB, and he had a shaky rookie season catching the ball, and a season where he had a major injury.

What will the Panthers be left with from the past 4 off seasons to build the team on for the future? They need to pay some of these players unless the plan is to run with rookies and retreads every season until all of Hurney's players are old and gone.

Wow! If I had your view, I'd just root for another team. Seriously.

You show a pretty complete disregard and lack of respect for not only Gettleman, but more importantly some very talented players and coaches. This is about the most negative PO---err, POV that I've seen on the Huddle regarding the overall state of the team. "Funny" that it comes after not one, not two, but three division titles and a conference championship, especially after several years of desperation.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

The idea of a "window" is a quick way to ruin a team for years.  We've had close to $60 million in dead money on the books over the past 3 years combined.  I'm guessing 5-6 years ago someone thought they had a "window".

this is a really damn good way of putting it

it encapsulates what is a pretty complex idea in a very simple way

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

although i did like this bit, even if cpantherking thinks it's a bad thing

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Front office refuses to believe in the window and the players are just a cog to oil and replace.

 

sounds like the way another team i've heard of does business.  do you think the patriots were worried about "windows" when brady was 27?  what just happened with chandler jones?