Gettledaddy says agents can't scare him

[Mr. Scot]

36 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Basic common sense tells me that if Cam continues to play like he did last season that he will want a massive contract. Letting Cam walk would be insane. Cam asking for less to help the team would be foolish for him, his agent, and his family. Now I certainly hope Cam gives the Panthers a wonderful discount because he's a "team player", but no way in poo would I expect that.

Basic common sense says Cam will break the team cap for his own benefit?

Not buying.

What we've seen of Cam doesn't mesh with that notion.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron34 said:

Cam should get whatever he wants next contract ... his next one will make this one look cheap as hell

 Cam will get more money than any player ever before next contract believe that and getyleman better not short change that guy 

So you think Cam should act like Drew Brees?

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, KillaCamNewton said:

I'm just gonna play Devil's Advocate here. I appreciate that DG builds for the longterm and doesnt bet the mortgage on one player. Teams like the Eagles and Rams and Redskins constantly overpay to either sign or keep players and it keeps them in stages of mediocrity. Im glad that's not us.

 

THAT BEING SAID, we are fortunate to have arguably the best offensive player and defensively player in the league to build our team around, and as weird as it sounds, they won't be in their mid 20s and in the prime of their careers forever. We have a golden opportunity to win multiple Super Bowls as long as Cam and Luke play at high levels, and I personally think the priority here should be to make the moves that are gonna help you win NOW while those two are in their primes. I get that he didnt wanna pay Josh, fine, but now we're gonna have to wait at least two seasons for the rookies to develop, and its extremely hard to win Super Bowls without elite talent at corner. Each of the last 4 champions had an elite corner or two on their teams. If he plays hardball again this time with KK, do we really want to wait at least two years also for Butler to develop? And there is no guarantee he even becomes half the player KK is.

My point is that when youre a team that is clearly good enough to win a Super Bowl, is it really that smart to be replacing superstars with cheaper and less effective alternatives just because youre afraid of the future salary cap implications? This team is built to win now, do we really wanna keep replacing major position groups and having to develop those players all over again? This team has a 5-7 year window, and sorry but letting go of superstars and replacing them with rookies that are gonna need a couple years of experience before making an impact seems like a great way to close the window faster

I don't believe that teams that believe in sustained excellence believe in any window, much less a five to seven year window.  When you overpay due to a window theory, even if you win the Super Bowl (which is a big "if"), then you're likely to set your team back for years. GMs that manage their cap responsibly, like the Pats, Steelers, and even Green Bay seem to always be in the thick of thick of the playoff race. You hardly ever see them down for more than two years in a row, not to mention a good amount of hardware for show-and-tell. 

We got along without KB all year, CJ most of the year and Kuech a few games as well last season.  Of course you want the best players to play, but you have to have faith in your system to develop those behind your starters to an acceptable level as well. Reloading the barrel by acquiring talent and developing them to reach their potential is the greatest way to mitigate losses due to injuries and money, and will effectively keep the window open forever.

[pantherj]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Basic common sense says Cam will break the team cap for his own benefit?

Not buying.

What we've seen of Cam doesn't mesh with that notion.

Who said "break the team cap"? The straw man in the corner? We've gone on quite a tangent from my original post that Cam's agent can scare Gettleman, which he certainly can with the next contract negotiation. Will he? Well we've moved on to that discussion, and I don't like your argument. This idea that we know Cam so well because we've read fluff pieces in the local media is silly. What we do know is that if he plays at a MVP level, or close to it until his next contract, then if he's smart he'll want top 3 QB money. And he should get it as well. Any play could be his last. It could all end on a flip into the endzone, a Remmers missed block, or any play. Not to mention a traffic accident. His agent will fight for a top contract imo. Cam will want a top contract imo, and he's worth every penny. Money can be saved on the defensive side of the ball, and that will allow him to have a good offense.

We're definitely not going to agree on this one. I think Cam is going to go for the money, which is the smart decision. You think he's going to take less money to help the overall talent level of the team. I hope you're right. I'll do a back flip. But good lord I don't agree.

[PhillyB]

9 hours ago, MV%doe said:

Here's the deal, Dave already has KK under contract for 3years @ 30 million.

Rough Salary 

2016- 1 mill the end of a rookie contract

2017- 13 mill first franchise tag

2018- 16 mill second year tag

Now onto another big issue for KK/agents/crew- AGE. People are forgetting KK is currently 27 years old. I'm no NASA scientist but after each year you get older.

Why would Dave give into the current wild wild west of contracts, when currently hes has power? So if the agent wants 18 per and 60+ in guarantees , why would give into that given the years of salary in control and kks age?

It's a give and take. Agents wants 18 million plus, but KK is currently under contract for 1 million.

Agents-"unfair that's his rookie contract" .

dave- "  we used those years to give proper training/teaching  "

Agent- " I.."

Dave " excuse me, Alwhile we rotate DL here and put young players in the best situation to succeed. "

Agent- " but suh, Cox, dareus, Jackson are getting QB moneyz"

Dave " franchise tag is a bargain , even the 20% increase year two is given those deals"

Agent- " well I've NEVER!!! Leaves"

Dave stands up pants-less and wavies.

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[CoastalCat]

10 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

Well, here's KK Short.  You drafted him in the 2nd round, you molded him, he's blossomed into an All-Pro defensive tackle and is fully in his prime at 27 ready to dominate for another 4-5 years. As long as it's not an outrageous asking price from Short's camp, this deal needs to get done. If we're not careful, it could soon start sending the wrong message about this franchise's attitude that: we'll draft you, turn you into a star player, but when it's time to pay, you're probably not getting the $$ you want here, so good luck.

 

 I look at KK's situation in about the same light as Josh's (with the understanding that KK is obviously still under contract). 

I think it should be a rule that you don't re-sign a player immediately after one really good season. That isn't to say that both J-No and KK weren't good players the year before. But if, for either of them, you remove 2015, I think it's easier to say that they don't necessarily qualify to be the highest paid players at their positions. I'm guessing is what they are/were asking for. Just a guess on KK's part, but it's obviously what J-No got as he is the highest paid "Conner" in the league now. 

Just my $.02. Remove the best year (especially if it was last year) and establish value. 

[Khaki Lackey]

Having Butler fall to us gives DG a lot of flexibility. DG might be looking at this coming season as a "wait and see" year for Butler and KK.

If Kony balls out this year and a first round graded DE doesn't fall to us at 32, Getts might be more inclined to give out a bigger contract with less resistance.

[CRA]

13 hours ago, bigdog10 said:

I'm in the camp of letting KK play out this year. If he balls out, tag him and work on a long term deal. If he doesn't, his price goes down. 

 

Worst case scenario is you have KK for two years absolutely balling out while butler develops. 

But then what happens if KK finds himself where Norman did?

there will always be a Washington or some team willing to pay a player above what a team would prefer to pay

[CRA]

15 hours ago, cbarrier90 said:

Good points, but as long as DG has a backup plan, I don't see why he should need to cave to the agents. 

KK is great, but if Vernon is as good as he is being advertised, I don't see why DG should throw all the salary cap in to one position (assuming Star and eventually Vern were to get extensions.)

We still have to find money for Turner, Norwell, KB, Bene, possibly Oher, and others. Big picture.

Star and KK don't fill the same holes on a roster.

Butler if he pans out seems to be leverage for Star's spot more than KK's.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Star and KK don't fill the same holes on a roster.

Butler if he pans out seems to be leverage for Star's spot more than KK's.

Why do you say that? Everyone talks about Butler's athleticism. I think I remember @Jeremy Igo saying something to the effect that Butler's first step is as explosive as he's seen. I don't think that Butler was drafted to be a stationary space eater (not that Star was either).  From what I've been reading, Butler has game more similar to KK's than Star's.

On an off note, injuries may have stunted Star's development a bit. If he can sty healthy, don't be surprised if he's in the backfield a little more this year than in the past.

[caatfan]

15 hours ago, MV%doe said:

2016- 1 mill the end of a rookie contract

2017- 13 mill first franchise tag

2018- 16 mill second year tag

Now onto another big issue for KK/agents/crew- AGE. People are forgetting KK is currently 27 years old. I'm no NASA scientist but after each year you get older.

This, along with promising play from Butler, has to be considered. If Gettleman chooses this route, then Short is looking for his big, long term contract at age 30, and his bargaining position drops. 

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

there will always be a Washington or some team willing to pay a player above what a team would prefer to pay

Do you go for the maximum money, and end up on a mismanaged, cap challenged team, or stick with an organization that has its sh*t together and is a playoff contender every year? I guess it depends on the player. 

[Dunn]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Basic common sense says Cam will break the team cap for his own benefit?

Not buying.

What we've seen of Cam doesn't mesh with that notion.

Exactly, besides wasn't there a quote out there that Michael Jordan told him to not worry about being the highest paid anything with a team....win the big games, make your legacy and earn a good salary, while racking up on the Endorsement money as well. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Dunn said:

Exactly, besides wasn't there a quote out there that Michael Jordan told him to not worry about being the highest paid anything with a team....win the big games, make your legacy and earn a good salary, while racking up on the Endorsement money as well. 

Pretty much.

[OneBadCat]

KK is a special talent. 11 sacks as an UT is incredible. We do need to accept the fact that we will likely lose one of these guys. Star or KK. If Butler proves worth  his grade then we can't afford  to have 3 premier talents in the interior. Wasn't Solai a 2 year contract?