Gettledaddy says agents can't scare him

[stirs]

Man, was Butler the right pick or what?

[Paa Langfart]

The most successful team of the last 10 or so years didn't even overpay their marquee HOF bound quarter back.  What does that tell you ?

[KillaCamNewton]

I'm just gonna play Devil's Advocate here. I appreciate that DG builds for the longterm and doesnt bet the mortgage on one player. Teams like the Eagles and Rams and Redskins constantly overpay to either sign or keep players and it keeps them in stages of mediocrity. Im glad that's not us.

 

THAT BEING SAID, we are fortunate to have arguably the best offensive player and defensively player in the league to build our team around, and as weird as it sounds, they won't be in their mid 20s and in the prime of their careers forever. We have a golden opportunity to win multiple Super Bowls as long as Cam and Luke play at high levels, and I personally think the priority here should be to make the moves that are gonna help you win NOW while those two are in their primes. I get that he didnt wanna pay Josh, fine, but now we're gonna have to wait at least two seasons for the rookies to develop, and its extremely hard to win Super Bowls without elite talent at corner. Each of the last 4 champions had an elite corner or two on their teams. If he plays hardball again this time with KK, do we really want to wait at least two years also for Butler to develop? And there is no guarantee he even becomes half the player KK is.

My point is that when youre a team that is clearly good enough to win a Super Bowl, is it really that smart to be replacing superstars with cheaper and less effective alternatives just because youre afraid of the future salary cap implications? This team is built to win now, do we really wanna keep replacing major position groups and having to develop those players all over again? This team has a 5-7 year window, and sorry but letting go of superstars and replacing them with rookies that are gonna need a couple years of experience before making an impact seems like a great way to close the window faster

[Mr. Scot]

My favorite bit from this article comes at the end.

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The toughest thing for me is I have to balance the short term and the long term all the time. You look at teams, and it's, 'This is our window.'

Our window is forever as far as I'm concerned,'" Gettleman said.

"I've said it a million times, and you've seen it — I'm methodical, I'm intentional, and that's the way it's going to be. If people don't like that, I'm sorry."

I've never been a big fan of thinking you can only win within a narrow window and then you're required to suck for a few years before you get another one.

More than one team has shown that whole idea is bull.

[pantherj]

Oh I disagree. Cam's agent can scare the poo out of Gettleman. Now the rest of them, not so much. Be aware KK.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Oh I disagree. Cam's agent can scare the poo out of Gettleman. Now the rest of them, not so much. Be aware KK.

Newton's agent scared Gettleman into signing him to a reasonable contract that'll help keep the team competitive?

[pantherj]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Newton's agent scared Gettleman into signing him to a reasonable contract that'll help keep the team competitive?

You do understand that Cam's play is on a completely different level now, and we we're lucky that we signed him before the change in play occurred? Things have now changed. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, pantherj said:

You do understand that Cam's play is on a completely different level now, and we we're lucky that we signed him before the change in play occurred? Things have now changed. 

How exactly does that equate to scaring the GM who signed him at the right time?

[pantherj]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

How exactly does that equate to scaring the GM who signed him at the right time?

I said that Cam's agent can scare Gentleman, not that he scared him in the past. Past, present, and future are different things. It's my opinion that Cam's agent can scare Gettleman in the FUTURE, but no he didn't scare him in the past contract. You brought up the past contract.

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, Paa Langfart said:

The most successful team of the last 10 or so years didn't even overpay their marquee HOF bound quarter back.  What does that tell you ?

Brady has always been a team guy, he was okay with taking less. Can't say that for other players. He also has plenty of there means of income just lot Cam, most other players don't have crazy endorsements sitting on the table like he does,  he doesn't have to empty the panthers wallet on a contract. It think its funny how people ignore that when talking about cams bargain contract.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I said that Cam's agent can scare Gentleman, not that he scared him in the past. Past, present, and future are different things. It's my opinion that Cam's agent can scare Gettleman in the FUTURE, but no he didn't scare him in the past contract. You brought up the past contract.

I wouldn't bet on that either, honestly. For two reasons...

One, Newton's signed for a while to come, and Gettleman has shown he's capable of contingency thinking. While the obvious best route will be to re-sign Newton (Kuechly too) there's plenty of time for "just in case".

But more to the point, I don't think that's Newton's personality.

Cam isn't the kind of guy who's willing to break the team by breaking the bank. He knows the value of having a solid team around him (including a good defense).

Basically, Newton's definition of "team player" isn't  the same as the one Drew Brees subscribes to.

So no, I don't think there's any reason for Gettleman, or any of us for that matter, to be afraid.

[ctrcat]

1 hour ago, Paa Langfart said:

The most successful team of the last 10 or so years didn't even overpay their marquee HOF bound quarter back.  What does that tell you ?

That they're 0-1 against this regime and GMan in his cap strapped first year?

Awful example, and no offense to Tom, because as is well known Brady's wife makes a lot more than he does.  NO situation remotely comparable in the league contract wise, maybe ever.

[Daddy_Uncle]

4 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

This is turning into murky waters real quickly.  I get the early posturing in order to establish negotiations amongst the player and front office, but I really will question a move that doesn't have KK here long-term.  

-   You can let Smitty go, because I believe Cam needed that.  It also helped Benjamin ball out in his rookie year and the bond between Cam-KB-Olsen grow into something special.  Not sure that happens with the alpha dog still here.

-   Letting DeAngelo go was a necessary business move and I saw no ill-effects from the release last season. J.Stew stepped up properly and our running game didn't skip a beat from an aging Williams. Total business move.

-  Rescinding the franchise tag on Norman stung a bit and I don't see the problem in keeping a top-5 CB around on the FT for 1 more season, but it is what it is.  For me, that was Dave's time to put his foot down and demonstrate what kind of organization he was running here. Message received, Josh got his $$, we have three promising youngsters that will benefit from the front 7, at a much, much cheaper cost, and it shows that the Panthers have a blueprint within a budget.... no player is above the team.

That being said, the Short negotiations really need to end with KK signing a long-term deal here. Hopefully both sides are reasonable and want the same end result - Super Bowl rings and a dynasty run.

DG needs to flex his style a bit and lower the ego a tad, IMO.  His whole mantra is about the 'hog mollies' and winning from 'in the trenches'.  I believed a major motivating factor as to why Norman didn't get overpaid, was because Gettleman wanted to plunk his chips down on the defensive line.
 

Well, here's KK Short.  You drafted him in the 2nd round, you molded him, he's blossomed into an All-Pro defensive tackle and is fully in his prime at 27 ready to dominate for another 4-5 years. As long as it's not an outrageous asking price from Short's camp, this deal needs to get done. If we're not careful, it could soon start sending the wrong message about this franchise's attitude that: we'll draft you, turn you into a star player, but when it's time to pay, you're probably not getting the $$ you want here, so good luck. 

We are still early in the process, and I agree that no 1 or 2 players are above the team.  That being said, it's getting dicey if we let another All-Pro player fly the coop due to monetary reasons.  

 

 

That's all well and good and easy to talk about on the internet but what if KK and his agent want money out of the atmosphere and don't even want to come close to meeting in the middle with Gettlemen? It's easy to blame a deal not getting done on the GM, but if the player and his agent want to hurt the team with the money they want and won't negotiate, then they can go somewhere else. A team like Dallas, Philly, Oakland or Washington that always overspends on players and never wins anything. We will be grear with or without KK. We will have a great defensive line with or without KK. It's up to him if he wants to play for a winner or get ridiculous money and play for a mediocre team his entire career

 

[pantherj]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't bet on that either, honestly. For two reasons...

One, Newton's signed for a while to come, and Gettleman has shown he's capable of contingency thinking. While the obvious best route will be to re-sign Newton (Kuechly too) there's plenty of time for "just in case".

But more to the point, I don't think that's Newton's personality.

Cam isn't the kind of guy who's willing to break the team by breaking the bank. He knows the value of having a solid team around him (including a good defense).

Basically, Newton's definition of "team player" isn't  the same as the one Drew Brees subscribes to.

So no, I don't think there's any reason for Gettleman, or any of us for that matter, to be afraid.

Basic common sense tells me that if Cam continues to play like he did last season that he will want a massive contract. Letting Cam walk would be insane. Cam asking for less to help the team would be foolish for him, his agent, and his family. Now I certainly hope Cam gives the Panthers a wonderful discount because he's a "team player", but no way in poo would I expect that.