Gettledaddy says agents can't scare him

[Soul Rebel]

This is turning into murky waters real quickly.  I get the early posturing in order to establish negotiations amongst the player and front office, but I really will question a move that doesn't have KK here long-term.  

-   You can let Smitty go, because I believe Cam needed that.  It also helped Benjamin ball out in his rookie year and the bond between Cam-KB-Olsen grow into something special.  Not sure that happens with the alpha dog still here.

-   Letting DeAngelo go was a necessary business move and I saw no ill-effects from the release last season. J.Stew stepped up properly and our running game didn't skip a beat from an aging Williams. Total business move.

-  Rescinding the franchise tag on Norman stung a bit and I don't see the problem in keeping a top-5 CB around on the FT for 1 more season, but it is what it is.  For me, that was Dave's time to put his foot down and demonstrate what kind of organization he was running here. Message received, Josh got his $$, we have three promising youngsters that will benefit from the front 7, at a much, much cheaper cost, and it shows that the Panthers have a blueprint within a budget.... no player is above the team.

That being said, the Short negotiations really need to end with KK signing a long-term deal here. Hopefully both sides are reasonable and want the same end result - Super Bowl rings and a dynasty run.

DG needs to flex his style a bit and lower the ego a tad, IMO.  His whole mantra is about the 'hog mollies' and winning from 'in the trenches'.  I believed a major motivating factor as to why Norman didn't get overpaid, was because Gettleman wanted to plunk his chips down on the defensive line.
 

Well, here's KK Short.  You drafted him in the 2nd round, you molded him, he's blossomed into an All-Pro defensive tackle and is fully in his prime at 27 ready to dominate for another 4-5 years. As long as it's not an outrageous asking price from Short's camp, this deal needs to get done. If we're not careful, it could soon start sending the wrong message about this franchise's attitude that: we'll draft you, turn you into a star player, but when it's time to pay, you're probably not getting the $$ you want here, so good luck. 

We are still early in the process, and I agree that no 1 or 2 players are above the team.  That being said, it's getting dicey if we let another All-Pro player fly the coop due to monetary reasons.  

 

 

[KB_fan]

Just now, CRA said:

I am still not celebrating this aspect of Gettlemen yet....

all GM's have flaws.  Dave's are still relatively unknown.  Dave's ego could come up down the road and cause issues IMO....there are some small red flags on that

Yes, sometimes our greatest strengths are also closely linked to our greatest weaknesses.  Dave is taking big risks... letting J-NO walk, etc.   His confidence and chutzpah (that words should have DG's picture next to it in the yiddish dictionary...) excite me as a fan, but he is up on that tightrope as he said.  It's dangerous, but refreshing too.  Hopefully he has good people around him who can serve as a sounding board and not let his ego run unchecked.

Basically, if Gettleman and our scouts & coaches can keep finding and developing great raw talent we'll be fine.  It will hurt to see a bunch of homegrown stars go play elsewhere, but that might just be the price we pay for sustainable success.

[The Huddler]

Lol @ people talking about red flags and flaws with Gman. He has goven you no reason to. 

[SetfreexX]

I don't get why ''Gettleman's Ego'' keeps coming up...it's not ego, it's being realistic about player values, and what you can afford while trying to field and sustain what has developed into a superbowl caliber team in just three years. 

Get off the ego hyperbole, it's not ego, it's common sense. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Stupid people were terrified Cam was leaving, then Luke was leaving, now KK is leaving too?

Fixed.

[stirs]

Did not have a chance to read the article, but was he talking about Norman or Short?

[Growl]

4 minutes ago, stirs said:

Did not have a chance to read the article, but was he talking about Norman or Short?

The two scenarios are pretty similar.

[Castavar]

38 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I don't get why ''Gettleman's Ego'' keeps coming up...it's not ego, it's being realistic about player values, and what you can afford while trying to field and sustain what has developed into a superbowl caliber team in just three years. 

Get off the ego hyperbole, it's not ego, it's common sense. 

I don't get it, you'd think people would know that by now.

And you can bet he values KK A LOT, and will pay him accordingly. But if it's too egregious and KK is asking for COLOSSAL money that will hinder the team, Gman will find an alternative that will keep us competitive for years to come, with or without KK.

[tiger7_88]

Here's how it gets done (and its something that J-No failed to make clear to his own agent):

KK needs to tell his agent to GET IT DONE.

If he doesn't, then we'll know which is more important to KK... playing for this team or the 'respect' of comparable NFL money.

Cam Newton isn't the highest paid QB in the league.

Luke Kuechly is the best defender in the league but NOT the highest paid defender in the league.

Gettleman today sent a clear message: "Its your call, KK."

[cbarrier90]

47 minutes ago, CRA said:

I am still not celebrating this aspect of Gettlemen yet....

all GM's have flaws.  Dave's are still relatively unknown.  Dave's ego could come up down the road and cause issues IMO....there are some small red flags on that

Good points, but as long as DG has a backup plan, I don't see why he should need to cave to the agents. 

KK is great, but if Vernon is as good as he is being advertised, I don't see why DG should throw all the salary cap in to one position (assuming Star and eventually Vern were to get extensions.)

We still have to find money for Turner, Norwell, KB, Bene, possibly Oher, and others. Big picture.

[The Lobo]

We are going to sign him, it's going to be ok.

[pantherphan96]

after all the terrible contracts Hurney gave out (that handicapped this team for nearly a half decade) you would think Panthers fans would support a GM like Gettleman refusing to overpay.

[MV%doe]

Here's the deal, Dave already has KK under contract for 3years @ 30 million.

Rough Salary 

2016- 1 mill the end of a rookie contract

2017- 13 mill first franchise tag

2018- 16 mill second year tag

Now onto another big issue for KK/agents/crew- AGE. People are forgetting KK is currently 27 years old. I'm no NASA scientist but after each year you get older.

Why would Dave give into the current wild wild west of contracts, when currently hes has power? So if the agent wants 18 per and 60+ in guarantees , why would give into that given the years of salary in control and kks age?

It's a give and take. Agents wants 18 million plus, but KK is currently under contract for 1 million.

Agents-"unfair that's his rookie contract" .

dave- "  we used those years to give proper training/teaching  "

Agent- " I.."

Dave " excuse me, Alwhile we rotate DL here and put young players in the best situation to succeed. "

Agent- " but suh, Cox, dareus, Jackson are getting QB moneyz"

Dave " franchise tag is a bargain , even the 20% increase year two is given those deals"

Agent- " well I've NEVER!!! Leaves"

Dave stands up pants-less and wavies.

[PantherPhann89]

This systematic cap approach kinda reminds me of the Patriots approach, except the Patriots don't do long negotiations. You either want to play for them or you don't, but hang, JNo now KK...