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According to PFF we have the worst collection of corners in the NFL.


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49 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

How so? Kony Ealy is starter material at RE. CJ is more than enough with limited snaps with Addison, Cox, and Delaire.

We can't be stacked at every position. Plus they're  job will be a lot easier with the best interior  d-line in the game.

Panthers fans are banking on 

1. A breakout season from kony

2. A return to form for a 30 year old de who had to take a pay cut and has suffered from soft tissue injuries for three seasons 

notice there's nothing comparable at positions the panthers are actually good at. 

The other guys are just dudes. 

This is like the definition of not having anyone. 

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Glad to see most of you coming around to reality.

You can always hope the Panthers will come up with a miracle in the secondary, but you all know just how much of a target and liability the entire secondary will be in 2016. It takes most up to at least 3 years for a majority of rookie CBs to develop with the discipline and communication necessary to play successfully against NFL offenses.

The pressure will be heaped on the offense and LBs to produce at a much higher level than they did in the 2015 season to make it back to win in the playoffs. This sits squarely on the shoulders of the front office and the absurd decisions they made in the off season just like 2014.

There is always hope that the rest of the NFC South is so horrible the Panthers could win it with an 8 or 9 win season. Then you just hope the inexperience in the secondary does not fall flat in the playoffs like it did in 2014.

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11 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

There is always hope that the rest of the NFC South is so horrible the Panthers could win it with an 8 or 9 win season. Then you just hope the inexperience in the secondary does not fall flat in the playoffs like it did in 2014.

Will quote when we're in Houston. 

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i mean i'm not predicting we're gonna go 19-0.  josh norman is great but i don't think the loss of him will drop the panthers to .500 by itself.

relying on rookie corners, releasing a dude on a nothing deal who probably has a degenerative hip condition and might be done as a pro football player, and unexpectedly rescinding a franchise tag when negotiations stalled (allegedly) is risky, yeah.  it's not "absurd".  you'd think the panthers were run like the browns listening to this dude.

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2 hours ago, Snake said:

How does one player really change your position that much?  While PFF is fun it's also wrong a bunch and stats should not be wrong. 

It's a bit more than Norman.  We also lost Tillman, and Bene is coming off injury.  Even losing Finnegan hurts in terms experience lost and snaps needing to be replaced.  Tillman & Finnegan weren't breaking records, but they were both fairly solid in the rankings. 

 

As for PFF being wrong about stats, I think the problem comes in that their stats are based on watching film.  And football is not like baseball.  There's some subjectivity built in to how you assess a player's performance.  Another complication is that they try to isolate individual aspects of a player's performance without taking it in the context of the specific play that was called, what the coaches were asking of the player or the scheme.    "Player A is "bad" because he didn't do "X"".... but the play called asked the player to "Y," so of course the player didn't do "X".  Football is a true team sport and you really can't always accurately isolate stats for one individual apart from what the entire unit on offense, defense or special teams is doing.     

Star is a good example.  He's been getting terrible marks from PFF lately, yet as I understand it, our coaches are very satisfied with his play.  Sure there's probably been some "objective" decline due to his foot injury.  He wasn't as mobile as has he had been previously.  Yet our coaches took that into account in his play assignments.  What he was asked to do as a space-eater and doing some of the dirty work, he did very well, and our coaches were happy.  But PFF gave him lousy grades.  

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3 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

What team has worse?

You're so blind yourself that you can't make an observation without me taking the time away from my work day, to point a few out? 

 

I'll take any group of ball hawks behind our front 7, every day, especially on Sundays. 

Will they make some rookie mistakes? I see mistakes made by the best vets all the time. I'm alright with that. 

Well continue to be a good defense, that gets turnovers. This year, by rookies. You should get use to the idea.

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46 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

You're so blind yourself that you can't make an abservation without me taking the time away from my work day, to point a few out? 

 

I'll take any group of ball hawks behind our front 7, every day, especially on Sundays. 

Will they make some rookie mistakes? I see mistakes made by the best vets all the time. I'm alright with that. 

Well continue to be a good defense, that gets turnovers. This year, by rookies. You should get use to the idea.

I'd also be interested to hear where you think we should be ranked, and which groups you would put our rookie trio in front of at this point in time. 

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56 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

As for PFF being wrong about stats, I think the problem comes in that their stats are based on watching film.  And football is not like baseball.  There's some subjectivity built in to how you assess a player's performance.  Another complication is that they try to isolate individual aspects of a player's performance without taking it in the context of the specific play that was called, what the coaches were asking of the player or the scheme.    "Player A is "bad" because he didn't do "X"".... but the play called asked the player to "Y," so of course the player didn't do "X".  Football is a true team sport and you really can't always accurately isolate stats for one individual apart from what the entire unit on offense, defense or special teams is doing.     

Star is a good example.  He's been getting terrible marks from PFF lately, yet as I understand it, our coaches are very satisfied with his play.  Sure there's probably been some "objective" decline due to his foot injury.  He wasn't as mobile as has he had been previously.  Yet our coaches took that into account in his play assignments.  What he was asked to do as a space-eater and doing some of the dirty work, he did very well, and our coaches were happy.  But PFF gave him lousy grades.  

There is SO much that people collating stats just flat out can't account for that in my opinion they're next to useless in predicting anything going forward. About as good as "I like team X because the games I remember them playing they tend to do really well".

Outside of things like injuries / team strength and game conditions (coming from behind vs running the clock out to ice the game or playing in a closed dome vs at Lambeau in late December) the biggest point is Line play. Especially Offensive Line.

They flat out cannot rate a player properly without knowing what the player was supposed to do due to play call / formation / scheme. And the area that affects most (but not only) is the Offensive Line.

There was an incident last year when Mitchel Schwartz (I'm guessing at who it was, but I'm pretty sure) tweeted a clip of a play and mentioned that because Thomas Davis guessed the RB was going to hit the wrong hole we got burnt for a big run. TD fired back that "guessing wrong" was actually "doing my job" because his job based on the coverage was to stuff the hole he stuffed.

The outcome of that was a big "oh crap if even current players can't assess film properly what chance do the stats guys have!?!" and the only answer they have is they grade based on what they think a player tried to do. The result of that guessing being called "advanced statistics" is that PFF grade Star at 66 I think it was for the year.

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