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Is Kawann Short holding out?

Jeremy Igo

By Jeremy Igo,
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juliosantos Newbie

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Just hope we dont let another great player walk. We always develop players and just let them walk. Gettlemans a great gm , hands down the best when it comes to finding gems and drafting but I dont have much confidence when it comes to players resigning

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This is in response to the low ball offer Gettleman tossed out. Very disrespectful to any player in contract talks when the GM wants to make it appear that they are not a key player to the team. You cannot push for loyalty to the team while not being loyal to the players. Not sure Gettleman will ever understand this. Same song and dance, but this will be much uglier following what Gettleman did to Norman. KK knows what to expect and will leverage it now. Either Gettleman wants him and pays him big (unlikely), or Gettleman will deem him a distraction that does not want to be on the team (expected).

Gettleman becomes the team distraction. (probably has piles of money stacked up on his desk that he refuses to spend so he can admire it every day).

KK gets a trade and sign deal. Bye KK. Get paid.

It's business. The Gettleman culture.

Sometimes I wonder whether this kid is serious half the time, or if he's that stupid.

 

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19 minutes ago, juliosantos said:

Just hope we dont let another great player walk. We always develop players and just let them walk. Gettlemans a great gm , hands down the best when it comes to finding gems and drafting but I dont have much confidence when it comes to players resigning

Obviously the Josh thing has shaken up all the things we thought we knew as certain.  It was easy to automatically ASSUME that Josh would play for us under the tag even if we couldn't get a long-term deal done.  So, yes, it's good to be a bit more cautious in our assumptions re: KK, but I *really* can't see Gettleman letting him walk when we're in pretty good shape re: the Cap because of all the wise moves Gettleman has made.  He's been planning and saving up for this. 

Remember, Gettleman got Cam, TD, Luke and Greg all re-signed last summer on solid, pretty team-friendly, deals,  SOME re-signings have been pretty smooth.

However, now maybe the Josh thing will make negotiations tougher, plus the fact that the DT market is now substantially more pricey than it was.  Maybe KK and his agent will push back against G'man, demanding the highest possible amount that KK is worth.  No team-friendly discount.   I still think that even if that happens, unless KK is utterly unreasonable, that Dave bites this bullet.   KK is the quintessential hog-mollie and a guy Dave clearly wants to build around and would consider part of our core.

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I'm not really sure why the Josh norman thing freaks everyone out.  He wanted way more than we were willing to pay him. We didn't let him walk, he chose to walk.  And I'm glad we didn't offer him what washington did. 

I guess everyone's still upset because Gettleman pulled the tag.  But it gave us extra money to sign people with and we weren't going to have norman after this season anyways

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22 minutes ago, juliosantos said:

Just hope we dont let another great player walk. We always develop players and just let them walk. Gettlemans a great gm , hands down the best when it comes to finding gems and drafting but I dont have much confidence when it comes to players resigning

Why do people keep saying poo like this?  Who are all of these great players we've developed, and let walk?  Seriously, I can name one guy...

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8 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I'm not really sure why the Josh norman thing freaks everyone out.  He wanted way more than we were willing to pay him. We didn't let him walk, he chose to walk.  And I'm glad we didn't offer him what washington did.

Agree with being glad we didn't pay him what Washington paid him, though I will miss him this year as part of our D.   I'm not sure that his departure has caused me or many of us to "freak out" as much as it's been a reminder not to take contract negotiations lightly or treat certain outcomes as givens.  I don't think any of us would have predicted G'man rescinding the tag.  It was a pretty big shock within NFL circles.  So, it's just a very fresh reminder to "never say never."   Unexpected outcomes CAN occur.   So many of us are no longer treating KK's contract as a sure slam dunk.

 

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5 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Surprised.  KK seemed chill about his contract when asked about it during week 1 of OTAs.  But hey, if it means the contract can get worked out quickly, I'll be ok with it.   I really hope we'll see a contract BEFORE minicamp.

And it doesn't hurt Butler to get some additional reps right now....

It is a shame to have teams like the Jags overpaying for mediocre players.  Messes up the market, but oh well.  Such is life in the NFL.

Ya kkk is a stud and needs to be paid. It is bothersome that he literally made the comment within the past week that he wasn't concerned with contract but was still working to get better and does this but whatever.  Sure gman will pony up for this dude. 

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We are talking about VOLUNTARY Organized Team Activities.

Everyone needs to calm down.  We have been spoiled that so many of our players buy into these OTAs and show up. They are not, and cannot, be required.  KK is not a player on the bubble, and doesn't need to secure a roster spot.  Almost rather him not be out there to avoid injury.

Once TC rolls around he will be there, new contract or not.

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I remember the four years of poo that resulted when we decided to pay everybody. 

I like the current system, even if it makes me nervous from time to time. Everyone is saying pay the man, but none of us have any idea what he's asking for. If a deal doesn't get done, we'll know that one side was being unreasonable. I'm not going to blindly assume that it's the front office every time.

Furthermore, in the last 3 years, I've seen...

-Smitty get cut

-Hardy get cut

-Munnerlyn walk

-Mitchell walk

-Ginn walk...and come back

-LaFell walk

-D-Wills get cut

We went to the friggin' Super Bowl last year. Errrbody calm down. 

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